Comments on Gone Sideways: Facebook Bans Second Life Avatar TypePad2009-05-12T06:08:11ZSLHamlethttps://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/tag:typepad.com,2003:https://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2009/05/facebook-ban/comments/atom.xml/Kat Claxton commented on 'Gone Sideways: Facebook Bans Second Life Avatar 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef011570bd9ee0970b2009-06-04T04:32:18Z2009-06-04T04:32:18ZKat Claxtonhttp://www.slencoredesign.comSomething I wrote in case I should find my account deleted - "My response to the Facebook Terms of Service...<p>Something I wrote in case I should find my account deleted -</p>
<p>"My response to the Facebook Terms of Service Section 4. 'Registration and Account Security' regarding the use of real names:</p>
<p>1. You have provided no clear cut definition of "real". My avatar / SL identity is very real. I do business and provide services to clients under this pseudonym, and I consider this name as much mine as any name I may have been assigned by my parents.</p>
<p>2. Re – Item 1: None of the personal information I have provided is false. My location, e-mail address, date of birth, etc. are all completely accurate and truthful, and my name is also a true name that I identify with. (Items 2 - 7 are not applicable)</p>
<p>3. How do you address stage names? I notice Tom Cruise has a Facebook page and you have not removed it, however his real name is Thomas Cruise Mapother IV. Same thing with 50 Cent (Curtis Jackson), David Bowie (David Robert Jones), and Madonna (Madonna Louise Ciccone), just to name a few. </p>
<p>Based upon how you have chosen to interpret the definition of 'real', you must delete these accounts and the accounts of all other celebrity members who are listed under their stage names. If you feel they have not violated any TOS rules, then it's only fair that you reinstate my account on that basis."</p>Maria Ru commented on 'Gone Sideways: Facebook Bans Second Life Avatar 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef01156fbb1947970c2009-05-29T20:08:44Z2009-05-29T20:08:44ZMaria Ruhttp://www.sun.com/staff/mariaLook, I have 150 fake Fussbook accounts in many countries. Does Kildenberg go to that level? Give me a brake....<p>Look, I have 150 fake Fussbook accounts in many countries. Does Kildenberg go to that level? Give me a brake. Lat time I checke, FB wasn't making any money anyway. Who needs social networking when it is just a fad?</p>Ava Dailey (SL) commented on 'Gone Sideways: Facebook Bans Second Life Avatar 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef01157090f545970b2009-05-18T15:29:08Z2009-05-18T15:29:08ZAva Dailey (SL)we all know the rules when we sign up, its that simple...if we get caught take it on the chin...<p>we all know the rules when we sign up, its that simple...if we get caught take it on the chin and move on.</p>
<p>LL forced me to change my avatars name on SL...its their rules they can do wot they like. FB is exactly the same, their rules and we must comply...</p>
<p>HEAR THE CALL PPL...FB DONT WANT US...TAKE OUR TIME & MONEY ELSEWHERE</p>
<p>and for my friends reading this....see ya inworld</p>Torley commented on 'Gone Sideways: Facebook Bans Second Life Avatar 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef01156f94c37a970c2009-05-15T17:02:16Z2009-05-15T17:02:16ZTorleyhttp://torley.comBe brave. Celebrate avatar pride. Remember when Flickr treated Second Life photos like, well, 3rd-grade snapshots? To be more accurate:...<p>Be brave. Celebrate avatar pride.</p>
<p>Remember when Flickr treated Second Life photos like, well, 3rd-grade snapshots? To be more accurate: we were NIPSA'ed and hidden from public.</p>
<p>Times have changed and there are like, 1 million SL photos on Flickr. Strength in numbers, make it more familiar, helps people to understand. Treat with grace, as one sharing their country's culture and customs would do.</p>
<p>(But yes, I find it bemusingly SAD when tech companies aren't as savvy about "liquid identities" as they should be... for mutual gain)</p>Alanagh Recreant commented on 'Gone Sideways: Facebook Bans Second Life Avatar 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef01157084efb5970b2009-05-13T17:58:44Z2009-05-13T17:58:44ZAlanagh Recreanthttp://slafrica.wordpress.comIdentity in an increasingly digitial age is not so easy captured - let alone 'wiped'. It is short-sighted in my...<p>Identity in an increasingly digitial age is not so easy captured - let alone 'wiped'. It is short-sighted in my opinion.</p>
<p>One would think that a social network like FaceBook would recognise that identity and making REAL connections are not in seated in a name, but in the quality of the conversation and in behaviour.</p>
<p>There is a good reason why I use my Second Life name in social networks such as FaceBook. It does not make it any less valid. The greater concern would be for 'real' people using false identities (fake names and surnames) without any digitial reputation and relationships in Second Life. </p>Danton Sideways commented on 'Gone Sideways: Facebook Bans Second Life Avatar 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef01156f8e229f970c2009-05-13T11:50:50Z2009-05-13T11:50:50ZDanton Sidewayshttp://dantonsideways.blogspot.comThanks, Wagner, for yet another Public Service Announcement, this time concerning my eviction from Facebook. The comments on your post...<p>Thanks, Wagner, for yet another Public Service Announcement, this time concerning my eviction from Facebook.</p>
<p>The comments on your post provide lots of information and ideas. That another Sideways was recently evicted suggests that the Facebook Team concentrates on obviously unreal last names. I just had the bad luck to choose a name like Danton Sideways, instead of something like Sophrosyne Stenvaag or Dirk Talamasca, which COULD be real names. Yet there is a Facebook member called simply "My Secondlife," and no real person has such a last name, so the eviction decisions seem totally arbitrary.</p>
<p>Despite its obvious drawbacks, Facebook offers a network so large that it is difficult to ignore. Like btripp, I opened my avatar account on Facebook about two years before I opened one for my real identity. I had two separate accounts because I try to hide the real-world identity associated with my avatar, for professional reasons. Maybe the FB algorithms managed to figure out that I had two accounts – though I wonder how, because the only identity key in FB is the email address you give, and I gave two different ones.</p>
<p>A more reasonable policy would be for Facebook to allow members to have two accounts, one real and one virtual, with some sort of identity authentication to tie them together. This once again raises the pertinence of digital identity standards, such as OpenID. Service providers that feel a need to verify the real-world identity of their users could agree to keep that information confidential in the case of an account that displays only the user's virtual identity.</p>Liberty Tesla commented on 'Gone Sideways: Facebook Bans Second Life Avatar 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef01156f8d66f6970c2009-05-13T02:34:37Z2009-05-13T02:34:38ZLiberty Teslahttp://friendfeed.com/libertyteslaYou know, if they nuked my FB account, I'm not sure how long it would be before I noticed. Months,...<p>You know, if they nuked my FB account, I'm not sure how long it would be before I noticed. Months, maybe. Friendfeed, Twitter, and a gazillion other social websites don't give a flip if you're an avatar or not; and if I want to write on my "wall", well that's what WordPress is for. And then there's my favorite social network of all -- this little thing called "Second Life".</p>
<p>No Facebook just means I'll never get "superpoked" again. Somehow I'd find a way to live with that.</p>Bettina Tizzy commented on 'Gone Sideways: Facebook Bans Second Life Avatar 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef01156f8c7ab8970c2009-05-12T19:26:44Z2009-05-12T19:26:44ZBettina Tizzyhttp://npirl.blogspot.cmAvatar Wizard Gynoid was also banned by Facebook. This is the same individual who collaborates with renown physicist Garret Lisi...<p>Avatar Wizard Gynoid was also banned by Facebook. This is the same individual who collaborates with renown physicist Garret Lisi to create math inspired art. Most recently <a href="http://npirl.blogspot.com/2009/04/wizard-gynoid-i-think-its-important-i.html" rel="nofollow">http://npirl.blogspot.com/2009/04/wizard-gynoid-i-think-its-important-i.html</a> to help us visualize the E8 Polytope, which may at last reveal the link between gravity and the other fundamental forces of nature. </p>
<p>Ah, but she's not real, you see? She's just a cartoon. *Smirk*</p>Nexii Malthus commented on 'Gone Sideways: Facebook Bans Second Life Avatar 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef011570824dd7970b2009-05-12T19:24:50Z2009-05-12T19:24:50ZNexii Malthushttp://nexii.ordoimperialis.com/It serves better to the death of facebook, I just can't see myself logging in anymore, its just a pain...<p>It serves better to the death of facebook, I just can't see myself logging in anymore, its just a pain to use, unfriendly and driven by goals that almost seem like there is a bigger evil act going on (Data Mining Anyone?)</p>In Kenzo commented on 'Gone Sideways: Facebook Bans Second Life Avatar 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef01156f8c72b3970c2009-05-12T19:11:24Z2009-05-12T19:11:24ZIn Kenzohttp://twitter.com/amorationAvatars and Humans cannot be segregated: we started a petition group on Facebook to draw attention to this issue and...<p>Avatars and Humans cannot be segregated: we started a petition group on Facebook to draw attention to this issue and pursue a more sane solution for Avatar/humans. We do not ask celebrities to only use their legal name, why should avatars be forced to?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=805374" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=805374</a></p>Sophrosyne Stenvaag commented on 'Gone Sideways: Facebook Bans Second Life Avatar 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0115708211ce970b2009-05-12T17:46:00Z2009-05-12T17:46:00ZSophrosyne Stenvaaghttp://sophtopia.blogspot.comHamlet, network validation is a terrific solution. It works for atomic-world celebrities with stage names, why not for us? I'm...<p>Hamlet, network validation is a terrific solution. It works for atomic-world celebrities with stage names, why not for us? </p>
<p>I'm surprised, though, that nobody's mentioned the "Facebook For Avatars," Avatars United. The founder, Chrish Mureaux in SL, has created a networking product specifically to our needs, and especially useful for those of us who have presences in more than one world. </p>
<p>You're all welcome to friend me there: <a href="http://www.avatarsunited.com/en/avatars/second-life/worldwide/the-world/sophrosyne-stenvaag" rel="nofollow">http://www.avatarsunited.com/en/avatars/second-life/worldwide/the-world/sophrosyne-stenvaag</a></p>BTRIPP commented on 'Gone Sideways: Facebook Bans Second Life Avatar 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef01157081e36a970b2009-05-12T16:21:09Z2009-05-12T16:21:09ZBTRIPPMy main SL Avatar had a Facebook entry almost two years before I deigned to open up account for the...<p>My main SL Avatar had a Facebook entry almost two years before I deigned to open up account for the "real me"!</p>Thoria commented on 'Gone Sideways: Facebook Bans Second Life Avatar 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef01156f8c0dfd970c2009-05-12T16:08:20Z2009-05-12T16:08:20ZThoriaLet's see, Facebook has no problem with holocaust deniers, but bans photos of mothers breastfeeding as obscene, and cancels the...<p>Let's see, Facebook has no problem with holocaust deniers, but bans photos of mothers breastfeeding as obscene, and cancels the the accounts of SL avatars, but not of music industry celebrities using pseudonyms. None of that pesky integrity for them.</p>CyFishy Traveler commented on 'Gone Sideways: Facebook Bans Second Life Avatar 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef01157081c76b970b2009-05-12T15:36:36Z2009-05-12T15:36:36ZCyFishy Travelerhttp://cyfishy.livejournal.comSuddenly, MySpace becomes potentially useful again . . .<p>Suddenly, MySpace becomes potentially useful again . . . </p>Tateru Nino commented on 'Gone Sideways: Facebook Bans Second Life Avatar 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef01157081c34b970b2009-05-12T15:29:28Z2009-05-12T15:29:28ZTateru Ninohttp://dwellonit.taterunino.net/The problem with the SL social networks is that they lack the connections with non SL-users, which I feel limits...<p>The problem with the SL social networks is that they lack the connections with non SL-users, which I feel limits their utility some.</p>soror nishi commented on 'Gone Sideways: Facebook Bans Second Life Avatar 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef01156f8be967970c2009-05-12T15:05:41Z2009-05-12T15:05:41Zsoror nishihttp://soronishi.blogspot.comI reported the same in February with Wizard. (http://sorornishi.blogspot.com/2009/02/fake-pride.html) and she's started a group called Fake Pride. Facebooks loss is...<p>I reported the same in February with Wizard. (<a href="http://sorornishi.blogspot.com/2009/02/fake-pride.html)" rel="nofollow">http://sorornishi.blogspot.com/2009/02/fake-pride.html)</a> and she's started a group called Fake Pride.</p>
<p>Facebooks loss is KoinUps gain..... stupid.</p>
<p>Its just data-mining anyway...</p>Tateru Nino commented on 'Gone Sideways: Facebook Bans Second Life Avatar 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef01156f8bdb62970c2009-05-12T14:35:39Z2009-05-12T14:35:39ZTateru Ninohttp://dwellonit.taterunino.net/This is why I don't ever log in to FB anymore. Why keep up the profile if it might vanish...<p>This is why I don't ever log in to FB anymore. Why keep up the profile if it might vanish at any moment.</p>
<p>Incidentally, why do many actors, authors, rappers and musicians get to use an alias on Facebook and we don't? That hardly seems fair.</p>Arcadia Codesmith commented on 'Gone Sideways: Facebook Bans Second Life Avatar 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef01156f8bce21970c2009-05-12T14:07:23Z2009-05-12T14:07:23ZArcadia CodesmithFacebook...facebook...isn't that the teeny-bopper vanity site that used to be so hot?<p>Facebook...facebook...isn't that the teeny-bopper vanity site that used to be so hot?</p>Alja commented on 'Gone Sideways: Facebook Bans Second Life Avatar 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef01157081837a970b2009-05-12T13:26:38Z2009-05-12T13:26:38ZAljaThe SL user base is relatively small compared to the number of users that like Facebook *precisely* because it expects...<p>The SL user base is relatively small compared to the number of users that like Facebook *precisely* because it expects people to use their real names. That's also what sets it apart from MySpace and other similar sites where using nicknames and avatar names isn't against the ToS, so I honestly don't see a FB policy change regarding name requirements coming up in the near future. Whether you like it or not, using your avatar name on FB can get your account banned at any time.</p>Valentina Kendal commented on 'Gone Sideways: Facebook Bans Second Life Avatar 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0115708180f1970b2009-05-12T13:21:56Z2009-05-12T13:21:56ZValentina KendalWe have lots of social networking avenues to interact as AVs. I think we should leave Facebook for the flesh...<p>We have lots of social networking avenues to interact as AVs. I think we should leave Facebook for the flesh and blood.</p>Arwyn Quandry commented on 'Gone Sideways: Facebook Bans Second Life Avatar 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef01156f8baa37970c2009-05-12T12:50:07Z2009-05-12T12:50:07ZArwyn Quandryhttp://arwynquandry.wordpress.comThis is really sad. Facebook is going to miss some revenue by turning away avatars - SL is a pretty...<p>This is really sad. Facebook is going to miss some revenue by turning away avatars - SL is a pretty big, varied user group with a lot of profit potential. I find it disappointing that they can only think in black and white terms of "real" and "not real", without realizing that there's a big wonderful grey area of fantasy and reality, where people are actually more likely to be themselves than when they are the person behind the keyboard.</p>Doubledown Tandino commented on 'Gone Sideways: Facebook Bans Second Life Avatar 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef01157081001c970b2009-05-12T09:30:59Z2009-05-12T09:30:59ZDoubledown Tandinohttp://djdoubledown.blogspot.comA friend of mine, also SL last name Sideways was also deleted from Facebook recently. I wonder if the FB...<p>A friend of mine, also SL last name Sideways was also deleted from Facebook recently. I wonder if the FB staff goes through SL last names, and can remove them in one swoop.</p>
<p>It's a shame that Facebook is doing this.. and doing it in this way. Just a swift deletion without any recourse.</p>
<p>However... I suggest that if you have a fear your FB page may be deleted, change your main page to your real info, and then set up a fan page for your avatar. You can function and communicate with Facebook via your own avatar's fan page also.</p>Loki Eliot commented on 'Gone Sideways: Facebook Bans Second Life Avatar 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef01157080e462970b2009-05-12T07:53:17Z2009-05-12T07:53:17ZLoki Eliotthere is an Sl version of face book, simple but effective http://www.secondlifenetwork.com/<p>there is an Sl version of face book, simple but effective <a href="http://www.secondlifenetwork.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.secondlifenetwork.com/</a></p>