Comments on Bunneh v. Horsie: Linden Lab Partner Ozimals Embroiled in <i>Totally Adorable</i> Virtual Animal Copyright Suit TypePad2010-12-17T22:15:48ZSLHamlethttps://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/tag:typepad.com,2003:https://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2010/12/fluff-enemies/comments/atom.xml/Cathy commented on 'Bunneh v. Horsie: Linden Lab Partner Ozimals Embroiled in <i>Totally Adorable</i> Virtual Animal Copyright Suit 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0147e20017ea970b2011-01-26T20:23:47Z2011-01-26T20:23:47ZCathySo a bunny is not copyrightable yeah, which means I could if I wanted to, create a bunch of scripted...<p>So a bunny is not copyrightable yeah, which means I could if I wanted to, create a bunch of scripted breedable bunnies or horses for that matter, provided I use my own original scripting, textures, sculpts etc…….. not a lot Ozimals could do about it. </p>
<p>So the argument here is the horse scripting etc is almost identical to the bunnies, essentially all they changed was the animal type and came up with little or no innovation with the scripting. This will be very interesting<br />
</p>Rob commented on 'Bunneh v. Horsie: Linden Lab Partner Ozimals Embroiled in <i>Totally Adorable</i> Virtual Animal Copyright Suit 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0147e0dffb43970b2010-12-20T17:57:46Z2010-12-20T17:57:46ZRobhttp://edgeofeurope.wordpress.comSo was this about cuddlies or are we trying to get a spot on the Jerry Springer Show, ladies?<p>So was this about cuddlies or are we trying to get a spot on the Jerry Springer Show, ladies?</p>Arcadia Codesmith commented on 'Bunneh v. Horsie: Linden Lab Partner Ozimals Embroiled in <i>Totally Adorable</i> Virtual Animal Copyright Suit 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0148c6e7f2cb970c2010-12-20T15:07:50Z2010-12-20T15:07:50ZArcadia CodesmithDMCA protection extends to computer code as a "literary work", but if the function of the code is replicated without...<p>DMCA protection extends to computer code as a "literary work", but if the function of the code is replicated without lifting the actual code, that's not infringement (as I understand it).</p>
<p>Had Ozimals patented their technology, that might be another matter. But I don't think that they're entitled to any form of copyright protection unless they can show that somebody lifted their original code.</p>
<p>This smells like an intimidation tactic -- DMCA somebody, even though you've got no grounds, because you believe they don't have the means to fight back... and then squeal in rage when they have the temerity to call your bluff.</p>
<p>But Hamlet's right... the media hook to this story is almost irresistable. </p>Ashia commented on 'Bunneh v. Horsie: Linden Lab Partner Ozimals Embroiled in <i>Totally Adorable</i> Virtual Animal Copyright Suit 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0148c6e64b76970c2010-12-20T09:17:21Z2010-12-20T09:17:21ZAshiaI find it interesting that without naming names, the company Sasy was referring to was presumed to be Ozimals (by...<p>I find it interesting that without naming names, the company Sasy was referring to was presumed to be Ozimals (by Whisper). Is this because Ozimals has a stellar business and personal reputation? That would be a resounding NO. Mention Ozimals to someone in the non breeding community and they will regail tails of how their friend/partner/family member got royaly shafted by the ozimals machine. Dirty, bullyboy tactics, disgusting treatment of paying customers,swearing at them in group chat is the very start of a long list, threats, slander, removal of players without recourse. And of course EVERYONE is trying to get something out of them, the whole world wants a piece of the Ozimals pie...according to the creators. A company run on arrogant egos who need a refresher course in human decency. Of COURSE theyre filing a DMCA against Amaretto, the only thing I'm surprised about is that it didnt come sooner. They dont want fair competion, they want the monopoly, and will tread on whoever is needed to get it. What Ozimals needs to realise is, Amaretto is not the cause of their cashcow drying up....Ozimals did that all by themselves.</p>Hamlet Au commented on 'Bunneh v. Horsie: Linden Lab Partner Ozimals Embroiled in <i>Totally Adorable</i> Virtual Animal Copyright Suit 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0147e0dc30c6970b2010-12-20T09:12:46Z2010-12-20T09:12:46ZHamlet AuPreemptive headzup: Hey everyone, this is an extremely touchy story with lawsuits flying, so please be sure to keep things...<p>Preemptive headzup: Hey everyone, this is an extremely touchy story with lawsuits flying, so please be sure to keep things civil and avoid anything patently libelous.</p>Sasy Scarborough commented on 'Bunneh v. Horsie: Linden Lab Partner Ozimals Embroiled in <i>Totally Adorable</i> Virtual Animal Copyright Suit 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0147e0db88d9970b2010-12-20T06:52:54Z2010-12-20T06:52:54ZSasy Scarboroughhttp://www.sasypants.com/@ Mel My Hero ♥<p>@ Mel </p>
<p>My Hero ♥ </p>Mel Vanbeeck commented on 'Bunneh v. Horsie: Linden Lab Partner Ozimals Embroiled in <i>Totally Adorable</i> Virtual Animal Copyright Suit 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0148c6e5943f970c2010-12-20T06:45:48Z2010-12-20T06:45:48ZMel Vanbeeck@whispers: Since when do you need to be a direct customer to be able to have an opinion about Ozimals?...<p>@whispers: Since when do you need to be a direct customer to be able to have an opinion about Ozimals? Having close friends who are "breeders" is more than enough to catch wind of the stink even if you don't bother to search the web for accounts of the Ozimals approach to business ethics. Sasy is plenty informed to have an opinion on this matter, so go ahead and give up on that line of attack.</p>Asenath commented on 'Bunneh v. Horsie: Linden Lab Partner Ozimals Embroiled in <i>Totally Adorable</i> Virtual Animal Copyright Suit 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0148c6e58ee5970c2010-12-20T06:40:15Z2010-12-20T06:40:15ZAsenathAnd much like cat fancy & dog shows in real life, one of the draws of breedables is community. The...<p>And much like cat fancy & dog shows in real life, one of the draws of breedables is community. The sale and trade and chit-chat about the critters is its own perk.</p>Mistletoe commented on 'Bunneh v. Horsie: Linden Lab Partner Ozimals Embroiled in <i>Totally Adorable</i> Virtual Animal Copyright Suit 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0148c6e5266d970c2010-12-20T04:59:21Z2010-12-20T04:59:21ZMistletoehttp://mistletoeethaniel.wordpress.com"The only thing sillier than pixel sex -- breeding pixel animals and lag farming. Both sides of this suit should...<p>"The only thing sillier than pixel sex -- breeding pixel animals and lag farming. <br />
Both sides of this suit should be banned from the internets."</p>
<p>Judge all you like; you can't argue with numbers. All of the above make some very big, very REAL money.</p>whispers magic commented on 'Bunneh v. Horsie: Linden Lab Partner Ozimals Embroiled in <i>Totally Adorable</i> Virtual Animal Copyright Suit 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0147e0db11bb970b2010-12-20T04:58:38Z2010-12-20T04:58:38Zwhispers magic@ Sasy, Umm only if you showed me in game. And I am so not interested in what you do...<p>@ Sasy, Umm only if you showed me in game. And I am so not interested in what you do in game at ALL. I just don't like unsubstantiated rumors being spread by people that weren't/aren't involved with Ozimals at all. That was the point I was trying to make. No need to get all in a dither. :)</p>Sasy Scarborough commented on 'Bunneh v. Horsie: Linden Lab Partner Ozimals Embroiled in <i>Totally Adorable</i> Virtual Animal Copyright Suit 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0148c6e4f2f9970c2010-12-20T04:06:32Z2010-12-20T04:06:32ZSasy Scarboroughhttp://www.sasypants.com/Whispers, what I do or don't do in Second Life is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. I did not name names,...<p>Whispers, what I do or don't do in Second Life is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. I did not name names, so do not point fingers at me, and maybe freshen up on your TOS, because if I did have logs, I would be in violation showing them to you. </p>Asenath commented on 'Bunneh v. Horsie: Linden Lab Partner Ozimals Embroiled in <i>Totally Adorable</i> Virtual Animal Copyright Suit 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0148c6e43a54970c2010-12-20T01:45:29Z2010-12-20T01:45:29ZAsenathWhispers, I'm willing to bet that the people involved with the cursing-out of customers are the Amaretto admins. One hears...<p>Whispers, I'm willing to bet that the people involved with the cursing-out of customers are the Amaretto admins. One hears hair-curling things about the way they speak to their loyal following in public, in group chat. I sort of feel sorry for their clients.</p>whispers magic commented on 'Bunneh v. Horsie: Linden Lab Partner Ozimals Embroiled in <i>Totally Adorable</i> Virtual Animal Copyright Suit 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0147e0d6f8fb970b2010-12-19T13:58:09Z2010-12-19T13:58:09Zwhispers magic@ Sasy I don't remember you being a Ozimal user. Could you provide logs for when Candy and Malk called...<p>@ Sasy <br />
I don't remember you being a Ozimal user. Could you provide logs for when Candy and Malk called someone the C word because I have never ever heard them remotely do anyhing like that nor have I heard telling of them doing something like that and I have been there since the inception of the idea.</p>Ignatius Onomatopoeia commented on 'Bunneh v. Horsie: Linden Lab Partner Ozimals Embroiled in <i>Totally Adorable</i> Virtual Animal Copyright Suit 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0148c6dc3aef970c2010-12-18T16:23:58Z2010-12-18T16:23:58ZIgnatius Onomatopoeiahttp://iggyo.blogspot.com"Note the Lindens are currently promoting dogs on Facebook. Not chickens. Not rabbits. Not horses. Dogs." @Ann, LL has learned,...<p>"Note the Lindens are currently promoting dogs on Facebook. Not chickens. Not rabbits. Not horses.</p>
<p>Dogs."</p>
<p>@Ann, LL has learned, after alienating so many of us, that if you want a friend, get a dog.</p>Saxon commented on 'Bunneh v. Horsie: Linden Lab Partner Ozimals Embroiled in <i>Totally Adorable</i> Virtual Animal Copyright Suit 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0147e0d19b18970b2010-12-18T14:37:52Z2010-12-18T14:37:52ZSaxonOnly a fool fights in a burning house.<p>Only a fool fights in a burning house.</p>Laetizia Coronet commented on 'Bunneh v. Horsie: Linden Lab Partner Ozimals Embroiled in <i>Totally Adorable</i> Virtual Animal Copyright Suit 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0148c6dbc350970c2010-12-18T14:37:18Z2010-12-18T14:37:18ZLaetizia Coronethttp://twitter.com/LCoronetThe big question on my mind is: will they cross-breed? Maybe with the help of one Stroker Serpentine they will?<p>The big question on my mind is: will they cross-breed? Maybe with the help of one Stroker Serpentine they will?</p>Phase commented on 'Bunneh v. Horsie: Linden Lab Partner Ozimals Embroiled in <i>Totally Adorable</i> Virtual Animal Copyright Suit 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0148c6db304b970c2010-12-18T12:26:33Z2010-12-18T12:26:33ZPhaseI think the concept of genetics is public domain isn't it?<p>I think the concept of genetics is public domain isn't it?</p>Silverfox Rainbow commented on 'Bunneh v. Horsie: Linden Lab Partner Ozimals Embroiled in <i>Totally Adorable</i> Virtual Animal Copyright Suit 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0147e0d09c9d970b2010-12-18T10:34:12Z2010-12-18T10:34:12ZSilverfox Rainbowwith all the other breedable animals now in sl - cats - dragons... clams they all use the same idea...<p>with all the other breedable animals now in sl - cats - dragons... clams they all use the same idea<br />
another silly law-suit.</p>
<p>when did NWN become the Alphaville Hearld o-o</p>Lili commented on 'Bunneh v. Horsie: Linden Lab Partner Ozimals Embroiled in <i>Totally Adorable</i> Virtual Animal Copyright Suit 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0148c6d9baca970c2010-12-18T06:23:39Z2010-12-18T06:23:39ZLiliThe only thing sillier than pixel sex -- breeding pixel animals and lag farming. Both sides of this suit should...<p>The only thing sillier than pixel sex -- breeding pixel animals and lag farming. <br />
Both sides of this suit should be banned from the internets.</p>Lelani Carver commented on 'Bunneh v. Horsie: Linden Lab Partner Ozimals Embroiled in <i>Totally Adorable</i> Virtual Animal Copyright Suit 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0147e0cf4631970b2010-12-18T05:03:44Z2010-12-18T05:03:44ZLelani Carverhttp://www.lelanicarver.comMistletoe and bunneh FTW!<p>Mistletoe and bunneh FTW!</p>Sasy Scarborough commented on 'Bunneh v. Horsie: Linden Lab Partner Ozimals Embroiled in <i>Totally Adorable</i> Virtual Animal Copyright Suit 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0148c6d956f1970c2010-12-18T04:49:46Z2010-12-18T04:49:46ZSasy Scarboroughhttp://www.sasypants.com/I hope that this brings to light some more of the evil that seems to run through one of these...<p>I hope that this brings to light some more of the evil that seems to run through one of these companies. <br />
Threats of take downs, removal of products people have invested thousands in, calling customers the C word in open group chat, because of not wanting to deal with questions regarding updates.<br />
Fear and bullying tactics that have just astounded me, and disgusted me as people kept paying into thier pockets.<br />
They sure as hell weren't the sweet kind people that they showed themselves as being when they started this project.</p>Ann Otoole InSL commented on 'Bunneh v. Horsie: Linden Lab Partner Ozimals Embroiled in <i>Totally Adorable</i> Virtual Animal Copyright Suit 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0147e0ced7f7970b2010-12-18T03:21:13Z2010-12-18T03:21:13ZAnn Otoole InSLBad customer relations. Libel. Tortious Interference. Perjury. tsk tsk. It seems like there is a weird pattern that manifests every...<p>Bad customer relations.<br />
Libel.<br />
Tortious Interference.<br />
Perjury. <br />
tsk tsk. It seems like there is a weird pattern that manifests every time a company makes a lot of money in SL and begins thinking they are untouchable. </p>
<p>Note the Lindens are currently promoting dogs on Facebook. Not chickens. Not rabbits. Not horses.</p>
<p>Dogs. </p>
<p>BTW didn't there use to be a provision in respect to patents in the SL TOS that is now absent?</p>Mistletoe commented on 'Bunneh v. Horsie: Linden Lab Partner Ozimals Embroiled in <i>Totally Adorable</i> Virtual Animal Copyright Suit 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0147e0ceb7c7970b2010-12-18T02:53:12Z2010-12-18T02:53:12ZMistletoehttp://mistletoeethaniel.wordpress.comMy meaningful and insightful commentary:<p>My meaningful and insightful commentary:</p>
<p><img src="<a">http://sllionhearttimes.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/bunnywithlawsuit.jpg></a></p>Ignatius Onomatopoeia commented on 'Bunneh v. Horsie: Linden Lab Partner Ozimals Embroiled in <i>Totally Adorable</i> Virtual Animal Copyright Suit 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0148c6d89db1970c2010-12-18T02:00:44Z2010-12-18T02:00:44ZIgnatius Onomatopoeiahttp://iggyo.blogspot.comSion Zaius, what hath thy fake chikkens wrought? Well, this will be a field-day for mainstream media: "Fake Fur Flies...<p>Sion Zaius, what hath thy fake chikkens wrought?</p>
<p>Well, this will be a field-day for mainstream media: "Fake Fur Flies as Fake Animal-Breeders Go to Court."</p>
<p>I had to do a double-take to be sure this was not the Alphaville Herald :)</p>Brenek commented on 'Bunneh v. Horsie: Linden Lab Partner Ozimals Embroiled in <i>Totally Adorable</i> Virtual Animal Copyright Suit 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0148c6d86ded970c2010-12-18T01:18:13Z2010-12-18T01:18:13ZBrenek*Correction: Judge should issue summary judgment (I confused who had filed the suit) *Also: From Ozimals' quote, the clearly object...<p>*Correction: Judge should issue summary judgment (I confused who had filed the suit)</p>
<p>*Also: From Ozimals' quote, the clearly object that Amaretto is using the same "concept" - a concept not owned by Ozimals.</p>Brenek commented on 'Bunneh v. Horsie: Linden Lab Partner Ozimals Embroiled in <i>Totally Adorable</i> Virtual Animal Copyright Suit 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0148c6d86a11970c2010-12-18T01:14:52Z2010-12-18T01:14:52ZBrenekOne is a horse, the other is a bunny. There is no claim that textures or scripts were co-opted. A...<p>One is a horse, the other is a bunny. There is no claim that textures or scripts were co-opted. A mere idea cannot be copyrighted. And Ozimals undermines its own claim and reveals itself as reactionary in their response, to wit:</p>
<p>"[Amaretto] presented the notecard that was intended for the beta testers that described the Amaretto product and asked the Ozimals owner to review it. Upon reading the notecard, which only covered very basic information, it was immediately obvious that the current state of the Amaretto horse product was a near complete clone of the Ozimals concept of a breedable."</p>
<p>So based on only "very basic information" Ozimals KNEW their property rights had been violated. How? Because it described an animal which eats, grows, and breeds? Not original, not owned by Ozimals. What was so eerily similar? Perhaps the manner of eating? The rate of growth? The manner in which the animals breed?</p>
<p>And if Ozimals somehow won...what do they get? At best, Amaretto tweaks their product a little bit.</p>
<p>Maybe there is a special twist to this case, but Ozimal's obtuse response undermines that possibility. I would not be surprised if the judge tossed the case out for failure to state a cause of action.</p>