Comments on High-Profile Performance Art in Second Life Subverted by Emergent Community, Force Field Drama, Robert RedfordTypePad2011-06-21T07:53:43ZSLHamlethttps://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/tag:typepad.com,2003:https://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2011/06/second-life-sundance-sweatshop-art/comments/atom.xml/Hamlet Au commented on 'High-Profile Performance Art in Second Life Subverted by Emergent Community, Force Field Drama, Robert Redford'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef015433300a46970c2011-06-22T19:18:16Z2011-06-22T19:18:16ZHamlet Au"The artist and his audience get to feel infinitely superior to the rubes of second life" Did you watch the...<p>"The artist and his audience get to feel infinitely superior to the rubes of second life"</p>
<p>Did you watch the end? I got the impression he felt less condescending as it wound down, especially as he came to rely on them.</p>
<p>It's a fine line talking about SL with non-users without provoking their condescension. I usually start by citing user demographics, point out how diverse the user base is by pointing out specific examples (artists, scientists, etc.) and also mention that there's a lot of disabled people who depend on this as their main channel to the outside world. In my experience that lays out a broader context. And THEN you can point out some of the wacky things some of the weirder users do.</p>Scylla Rhiadra commented on 'High-Profile Performance Art in Second Life Subverted by Emergent Community, Force Field Drama, Robert Redford'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0154332fc1af970c2011-06-22T18:09:46Z2011-06-22T18:09:46ZScylla Rhiadrahttp://feministos.wetpaint.com/I'm with Scarp on this one. What might have been an interesting satirical commentary on RL sweatshops, or economics in...<p>I'm with Scarp on this one. What might have been an interesting satirical commentary on RL sweatshops, or economics in SL, or have provided some insights into online community, becomes instead a smarmy, patronizing, and "amusing" little bit of entertainment for those who get their jollies by laughing condescendingly at others. And don't blame the tittering audience either: this presentation was designed to elicit the reactions it did.</p>
<p>So what did we actually learn from this? Firstly, that it is possible to create positive communities in virtual worlds, however much Crouse might devalue them after the fact with his derision. But that's hardly a revelation for anyone who has spent any real time in SL.</p>
<p>And secondly, that although Crouse may or may not have been exploiting his "workers" economically, he sure as hell was doing so by turning them into a sort of digital freak show.</p>
<p>Utterly distasteful and obnoxious.</p>Scarp Godenot commented on 'High-Profile Performance Art in Second Life Subverted by Emergent Community, Force Field Drama, Robert Redford'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef01538f5c3822970b2011-06-22T17:07:16Z2011-06-22T17:07:16ZScarp Godenothttp://www.flickr.com/photos/scarp/Well... aren't they all just Soooooo superior to all the clueless little Second Life idiots. I loathe that type of...<p>Well... aren't they all just Soooooo superior to all the clueless little Second Life idiots.</p>
<p>I loathe that type of condescending attitude. The clueless ones are those hilariously laughing in the audience.</p>
<p>The attitude of the artist began as one of condescention and of course that became the attitude of the RL audience.</p>
<p>Bottom line. In the minds of all those in the video, virtual worlds are just a freaking joke. A playground for the aimless and foolish</p>
<p>This gets everyone exactly nowhere.</p>
<p>The artist and his audience get to feel infinitely superior to the rubes of second life and that is the end of it.</p>Arcadia Codesmith commented on 'High-Profile Performance Art in Second Life Subverted by Emergent Community, Force Field Drama, Robert Redford'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0154332efbac970c2011-06-22T15:22:31Z2011-06-22T15:22:31ZArcadia CodesmithWhen workers feel invested in an enterprise, you don't need a Scrooge standing over their shoulder with a bullwhip to...<p>When workers feel invested in an enterprise, you don't need a Scrooge standing over their shoulder with a bullwhip to exploit them; they will happily exploit themselves for the success of the venture.</p>
<p>Tech workers are very familiar with this dynamic.</p>Melissa Yeuxdoux commented on 'High-Profile Performance Art in Second Life Subverted by Emergent Community, Force Field Drama, Robert Redford'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef014e894b9f7f970d2011-06-22T00:55:56Z2011-06-22T00:55:56ZMelissa Yeuxdouxhttp://vidasegunda.blogspot.com/Can you say "Hawthorne Effect"? Too bad they didn't get the politically correct result they wanted.<p>Can you say "Hawthorne Effect"? Too bad they didn't get the politically correct result they wanted.</p>Adeon Writer commented on 'High-Profile Performance Art in Second Life Subverted by Emergent Community, Force Field Drama, Robert Redford'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341bf74053ef0154332b4bbf970c2011-06-21T23:29:40Z2011-06-21T23:29:40ZAdeon WriterAmazing story. Absolutely was worth the watch.<p>Amazing story. Absolutely was worth the watch.</p>