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Tuesday, July 23, 2013

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Wolf Baginski

I'm reminded of an infamous book by John Norman, Imaginative Sex. It managed to both argue that it was OK to be imaginative, even kinky, and to demonstrate John Norman's own lack of variety in what he could imagine.

In the end, this sounds like another batch of bondage porn, with the same rather superficial attitude to people as people. At least in Second Life you are dealing with real people behind the avatars. This sounds to sit uncomfortably between SL's active meeting of minds, and the wholly passive storytelling of written erotica.

And it isn't because of the graphics. I get the same feelings in pure text, ranging from Fifty Shades of Gray through Leather Goddesses of Phobos to the still-running multi-user games such as Tapestries.

A good author can show us the characters, and the multi-user games have us interacting with real people, but the fake people of interactive fiction can be so totally inadequate.

Jimbo

What's next? Maybe people will even start enslaving other people in second life with collars, chains and loincloth OH WAIT.

zzpearlbottom

John Norman's vision is as basic as human instincts are, see Muslin religion!

Cicadetta Stillwater

@zzpearlbottom: There's a religion centered around a particular sort of cotton fabric? Who knew? (All hail the plain weave...)

Pussycat Catnap

"What's next? Maybe people will even start enslaving other people in second life with collars, chains and loincloth OH WAIT."

Heh...

Yeah basically this.

This brand of power-trip fantasy is pretty disturbing, but at least in Skyrim the only person involved is the lone individual. In SL, you have a perfect storm for abusers, enablers, and victim-personas that overlay and disrupt any attempt at a community fantasizing around lines of 'consent'. With real people's emotions on the line, but not real physicality: its is easier to fall into an abuse cycle than in 'the real world'. In the real world, the physicality of it can be a check for people that never occurs in a virtual world.

So on a scale of things, long before I went on a rant about solo-player Skyrim, I'd be, and have, looked at SL.

Arcadia Codesmith

I'd be a little concerned about anybody who didn't have any ethical concerns about people owning other people as property.

That said, NPCs aren't people. And even if there's another person on the other end of the line, it's not slavery if you can turn off the computer and walk away.

We ought to be doing more to fight real-world human trafficking without worrying about computer geeks in consensual scenarios playing make-believe.

CronoCloud Creeggan

The name Paradise Halls is a reference to Paradise Falls, the outpost of Slavers in Bethesda's post-apocalyptic RPG Fallout 3.

I don't know about you, but the first time I entered Paradise Falls in Fallout 3, I left it with slaver corpses littering the ground.

And I wiped out the slavers in the Lincoln Memorial immediately upon discovering they were slavers.

Emperor Norton

Enslaving Skyrim NPCs is just pure justice. Almost all of them are jerks, yes I am looking at you "Do you get to cloud district often?" Nazeem.

Anyway, why are you wallowing in the sewer of the modding community? They do much better stuff than this.

Emperor Norton

and while I am at it, how about Ulfic "may I kiss your south end Mistress Elenween" Stormcloak? (yes, for those who don't know THAT Ulfic has a BDSM relationship with the arch-Thalmor herself) They might mask it but there is a lot of hooky pooky in Skyrim.

Lunarscribe

I so enjoy reading diatribes of sanctimonious moral types complaining that their is an "ick" factor to enslaving bytes of data in the privacy of one's own home. Yet they miss the glaring hypocrisy of running around the same virtual countryside slicing heads off bandits, bifurcating Foresworn, lacerating cultists, and doing God knows what else to any other human that displeased their childlike egos. So for all of those people I say, get off your moral high horse. You are no better.

Major Johnson

It's so amusing that people are totally fine with non-consensually inserting sharp steel objects into other people's abdomens until they die of it, but enslaving and beating them is oh so awful.

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