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Tuesday, August 15, 2017

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LagOh

The Golfer-in-Chief? You mean Obama? He is out of office now. Wow. I think I will start a new group Avatars Against Avatars Against Trump, or AAAAT.

Will you give it a rest - you still lost and this continued protesting only shows you are a true loser.

Pulsar

Trump is there for the same reason of Berlusconi: his opponents kept talking more of him than themselves. They kept attacking him, essentially legitimizing him as opponent, while he doesn't even worth that. They kept attacking him and he has no shame, so he doesn't give a f*. The only thing you attain is that more you talk of him, more you make him known and popular. And he made America silly again, and again.
On Second Life this stuff killed a couple of nice groups.
Do if for fun, but not expect to change the world in that way.

Jumpin Jack

"responding to Trump's praise today for racists and neo-Nazis" with a link to Buzzfeed.

I watched the entire 23 minutes of Trump's press conference - actually meant to be on infrastructure improvements - on Youtube: This statement is wholly incorrect both literally and in spirit.


Here is what Trump actually said:

In his first statement about Charlottesville he condemmed all violence generally because he didn't know all the facts about what was going on.

As things became more clear, he condemned groups more specifically in his second statement.

He called the driver who drove into the group of people a "disgrace to himself, his family, and the nation" and "a murderer".

He will rely on the relevant authorities to classify it as terrorism.

He said "neonazis and white nationals" should be "condemned totally".

However, Trump said claiming that all of the people protesting the removal of the Robert E. Lee statue were were neonazis or white supremacists is not correct.

It is also not correct to make them solely responsible for the violence.

Trump reminded the press that the removal protesters had a permit to protest, unlike the so-called "alt left" who went to the street without any permit and "came charging with clubs and baseball bats", inflicting violence on the other side.

Hence, Trump said there were "very bad people and very fine people on both sides".

With regards to the "alt right", Trump said the press should finally start to define that term, instead of just calling everybody "alt right".

With regards to keeping or removing historical statues, Trump said is up to the actual owners of such statues, i.e. the local towns and their residents, to decided on that.

However, he warned that while today people discuss Robert E. Lee, tomorrow it might be the statues of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson as both were slave owners after all.

Finally, with regards to racial tensions in the country, the administration will "spend more money on the inner cities as a priority". However, in Trump's opinion, a strong economic and well-paid jobs for everybody will solve much more of the problem than anything else would.


So much for Trump's actual words.

I come to this blog to read about SL and other virtual worlds, not to be fed the political ideology of the blog owner.

Looking at the "Trump praises racists" statement after having seen the actual press conference, I really wonder how one can write such a thing:

Did James simply trust Buzzfeed, rather than thinking "really? let me quickly check and verify"?

Has James actually double-checked and then deliberately decided to write something that is untrue?

Does James find himself so far down the deep end of his political belief that he simply blanks out the parts of reality that doesn't fit into it?


More generally, I don't mind people not agreeing with Trump or the Republicans, I was very skeptical about the man as well.

However, after having witnessed how the other side reacted and behaves after things didn't go their way I've become more conservative than ever before in my life.

Clara Seller

Jumpin Jack really spoke the truth and laid down facts. It's something that our media can't seem to do anymore. That's what we should be horrified at. There may be a whole world full of problems, but if we can't look at these problems with honesty, what hope do we have of ever solving them?

By lying to us, our media is creating problems. One minute they are sowing seeds for overthrow. The next minute they are fanning flames for nuclear war. Now they are dog whistling for racial divide. Underneath every manufactured crisis, there lies a little piece of our freedom they need us to sacrifice. They don't want us to listen, examine, or reason. They just want us to react and fight each other. They don't mourn our deaths and suffering. They capitalize on them. Their salaries are paid with our pain. Think about that.

Be very skeptical of anyone who is inviting you to swim in waters with deadly undercurrents. They aren't your friends.

Jacques Mesrine

@Jumpin Jack
Personally, I don't mind being "fed [with] the political ideology of the blog owner". I'd even second it.
You might not read it then since it's HIS blog.

Pulsar

Trump takes advantage of the not addressed unrest and fears, points his finger at scapegoats and pretends to be your friend. Scandals that would have ruined any other politician had no effect on him. He is not your typical politician and this was totally underestimated in the course of elections. Meanwhile humor and satire are fun, I like them, but they are received mostly by who already agrees with them, and dismissed by others. Little or no effect as well. If you want to get rid of Trump, don't play his own game. Ignore his worthless manipulative bullshit, show a positive example that you are way better than him and take his place in newspapers headlines, his stage and show. This is what some politician around the world did against populist politicians. Now it's a bit late, you have to keep him for 4 years, unless he gets impeached. It wasn't expected to have him as republicans candidate, then it wasn't expected to have him as presidential elections winner. Cross your fingers for 2020.

Jacques Mesrine

Amy Davidson Sorkin
Donald Trump, from His Tower, Rages at “the Other Side” in Charlottesville

"Wait a minute, I’m not finished. I’m not finished, Fake News,” President Donald Trump said at a press conference, on Tuesday. He was using fake news as an epithet, directed at a reporter who had asked about Senator John McCain’s admonition about the wider influence of “alt-right” forces, which McCain had connected to the “Unite the Right” rally that, with its white-nationalist and neo-Nazi displays, had set off a weekend of violence in Charlottesville, Virginia. Trump began by asking if the reporter was talking about the same Senator McCain who had voted against his side on Obamacare, and then continued by asking, “What about the alt-left that came charging at the, as you say, the alt-right? Do they have any semblance of guilt? Let me ask you this: What about the fact that they came charging with clubs in their hands, swinging clubs, do they have any problem? I think they do.” This was a repeat of the first comment he had made, on Saturday, in reaction to Charlottesville, placing undifferentiated blame on “many sides,” never mind the swastikas. He had revised that, on Monday, with a grudgingly delivered statement of what ought to have been obvious: that white supremacy and Nazism are bad ideologies. Now, in a couple of lines, he had tossed that aside, like an ill-fitting suit. But, as he said, he wasn’t finished. Trump kept talking, in louder, uglier terms.

“You had a group on one side that was bad and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent. And nobody wants to say that. But I’ll say that right now.” The bad group was the white nationalists; the “very violent” group was those who had come to object. In case anyone missed his point, he continued, “You had a group on the other side that came charging in—without a permit—and they were very, very violent.” Trump wasn’t putting the two sides on the same level; he was saying that the counter-protesters were worse.

His outrage at the counter-protesters’ lack of a permit stood out all the more, given that he had spent the beginning of the briefing, which was meant to be about infrastructure and was held in the lobby of Trump Tower, complaining about how permits slowed down him and other builders. He promised to do away with as many as he could. Not that he had ever been held back; he knew how to get the permits he needed. That was one of the instances in the press conference when his native narcissism caused him to ramble; another was when he began talking about how he’d heard that “the young woman”—Heather Heyer, age thirty-two—who was among the counter-protesters and was killed when someone drove a car into their ranks, was a fine person, and that the person charged with killing her had done something “horrible,” but he ended up just going on about how her mother had said “the nicest things” about him, Trump. The media, he said, didn’t appreciate his niceness. (Later, Trump acknowledged that he had not yet reached out to Heyer’s family.)

As this story has played out, what has been striking is how put upon the President has seemed to feel when asked to condemn neo-Nazis. At the press conference, he kept insisting that this was a matter of being responsible—all the facts weren’t in yet. All the facts still aren’t in, but the swastikas and the Confederate flags were out from the first moment. The only way Trump wouldn’t have seen them is if he didn’t want to or didn’t care, or perhaps he viewed them with political opportunism, emblems of a base to be catered to. All those explanations—that he is indifferent; that he is calculating—remain on the table. The press conference added another possibility: that his judgment is, and perhaps always will be, consumed by his own sense of resentment. When he realized that his statement on Monday had been found wanting, he tweeted, “Made additional remarks on Charlottesville and realize once again that the News Media will never be satisfied . . . truly bad people!” ‬

On Tuesday, that media wanted to know if Trump was, as one reporter put it, saying that the alt-left was “the same” as neo-Nazis. Trump erupted again. “I’ve condemned neo-Nazis. I’ve condemned many different groups,” he said. “But not all of those people were neo-Nazis. Believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists. By any stretch.” He continued, “Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee.” He said that if the press were honest—“which in many cases you’re not”—they would see it his way. And, he added, with a note of dismay, “This week it’s Robert E. Lee, and I notice that Stonewall Jackson is coming down. I wonder, is it George Washington next week, and is it Thomas Jefferson the week after? Ask yourself, where does it stop?”

One might note that Robert E. Lee took up arms against the United States government, the one that George Washington put his life on the line to build. It is true that our history is full of figures who are flawed, but endure. Lee, though, is not a symbol of our values whose life does not match the ideals he is purported to embody; he is a symbol of the betrayal of those ideals. He is our worse self. And if there is not a constant conversation challenging our idols—an effort to look for our better angels, to borrow Lincoln’s phrase—if statues never come down, or new ones stop going up, then we have, in some way, stopped trying to be a more perfect Union. The organizers of the “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville had not gathered out of some architectural-preservationist urge: they were there for ideological reasons.

Trump acknowledged, again, that some of those people were bad, but he also said, again, “You also had people that were very fine people—on both sides . . . you had people in that group who were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.” Trump didn’t pause to ask why the statue of Robert E. Lee would be so very, very important, nor did he mention the other name: Emancipation Park. Instead, he had reduced a moral crossroads for the country to a question of naming rights. Standing in front of reporters, Trump came across as an angry man sheltered by a building bearing his own name in big, gold letters. But for how long? Tenants in some buildings have already asked to have the “Trump” taken off. Where would it stop? Would there, perhaps, never even be a statue of Donald J. Trump?

The New Yorker, August 15, 2017

metacam oh

I see the usual Trump scum rolling out of their hole to defend anything this piece of shit says.

Trump said. Robert E Lee, what's next? Washington? Jefferson? Text book white supremacy argument. Robert E Lee was a traitor so it's no surprise people who like Trump like Robert E Lee. There is nothing, absolutely nothing you Trump ball sniffers wouldn't defend. Nothing.

irihapeti

Jumping Jack wrote: "So much for Trump's actual words"

more of Mr Trump's actual words here: https://www.thoughtco.com/donald-trump-quotes-2733859

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