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Monday, April 02, 2018

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Pulsar

The video is really male gazey. I didn't like the violence too. I agree that Second Life has been hurt by virtual porn. How? Not just because of the presence of this kind of contents, per se, but because expectations.
Content: SL allows a great freedom of content (whatever it's something you/me/others like or dislike) and if you value freedom, you won't like that someone would reduce that freedom, by imposing their own subjective sensitivity, opinions and values to everyone else (unless it's their own home, their rules).
Expectations: I'd like it should be clear that the above content is just a part and not the whole of SL and its audience. It shouldn't be expected that everyone in SL is there to please men's eyes or for sexual content (or even flirts).
I think that's the problem: some video or articles about this kind of content lead some people to believe that the whole thing of SL is a porn game (or a dating game or a dating agency). Then they come in SL with those expectations and someone else gets constantly annoyed or harassed. Vice-versa, other people won't touch SL even with a stick, because of those expectations.

In conclusion, it's ok when one is free without censorship, and another one is free to not deal with people wanting that from you. I don't force you to not smoke, you don't force me to breathe it. And you know that the smoking room isn't the whole place. (Note: sex is natural stuff, I'm not saying sex is toxic, but being annoyed and harassed is).

Pussycat Catnap

Let's not kid ourselves over what SL is.

This video is basically spot on:

Aging colonizers looking to date or virtually screw each other. The video seems to cater exactly to that userbase - which is basically the vast majority of SLers.

blond colonizers, cavorting about as erotic barbie dolls.

Go shopping and touring around in SL. This video is tamer than most of the place.

Granted over the last 2 years I have transitioned out of my 'G rated' SL over to a more adult side, so I see this stuff more than most now... but it was pretty seriously hard to avoid beforehand too...

SL has been quite successful in appealing to a set of people that spend a LOT of cash in it and keep it quite healthy.

I'm sorry it never became the sandbox some still want it to be. It is instead a 'shopping and screwing' game.

Then again... that's basically an accurate description of the entire internet as well...

The only difference for SL is that it seems to be over 90% colonizers - extreme lack of diversity. And that's really what I noticed most in this video... If this came out of Hollywood we'd all be wondering if we needed a hashtag to boycott it... But in SL, that it's all Hefner/Trump-preferred blonds is basically the norm.

The reason SL doesn't grow much more than it already is isn't the sex... it's that it seems to be overwhelmed by people that grew up when the USA was all Colonizers, and they wish it was still that way. But even their own descendants look at that demographic and balk.

Pulsar

It was used as a sandbox more in 2004. Sex attracted extra people, but these made others to go away. Then it prevented others to join, thinking it was a porn land. Advertising SL with bikini girls didn't help.
No wonders that all is left now is mostly this.
A virtual world where Gor was the most popular roleplay (still going strong, but I'm seeing more variety now), a metaverse where the most perverted fantasies in the Net found home, including necro and snuff sex (easier to make it "true" than in real life for them). The only thing that LL bans at once is pedo stuff (after a scandal hit the media, if I remember it correctly). And a place where newcomers girls were soon approached by the typical "hi", "how r u" horny guy, who shortly after asked for sex. Everywhere, even guys joining fashion groups, contacting random girls there.
Creepy, if you aren't into that.

You can get a bias because you get exposed often and I know women who eventually switched to tiny Disney-like animal avatars and other kind of avatars, just in order to be less attractive and to have more peace.
Sometimes I end up thinking that as well, it seems everywhere, a bunch of guys hits on you, but then how much of SL is for porn or adult content?

Sure, even "the Internet is for porn", it's fun to say (I say that as well) or it may fell like that, but the most reputable studies see it actually as about 4% of the websites, or some more, and 20-30% of the searches and a bunch of traffic (it's an impressive large slice, but not all the Internet, not even the most part of it):
https://www.forbes.com/sites/julieruvolo/2011/09/07/how-much-of-the-internet-is-actually-for-porn/
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/201611/dueling-statistics-how-much-the-internet-is-porn

Now SL homepage puts more focus on creativity and other activities. Perhaps that helped a bit (maybe coupled with the #metoo and alike), but I'm noticing some change recently. Horny guys still sends messages, but I see it is happening noticeably less, compared to few years ago. Not just in normal places or in normal dance clubs too, but even if you go to a beach, where you would expect this instead, you won't be flooded by IMs like in the past years (if in 2007-2010 or maybe still in 2015 you would get, lets say, a dozen of IMs in 10 minutes, now you get just some, even if the amount of people in that place is about the same as before).

Instead I use to let people know about other sides of SL, a whole world of different interesting and fun things (some weren't even aware there is something else other than pixel porn and skimpy clothing). Then some of them - I don't mean they abandon their BDSM stuff entirely - but they love those other activities now, whichever is virtual regattas, spirituality, art, cultural events and places, airline pilot roleplay or Star Wars and so on.

So I think it's important to let know that SL isn't just for porn and that not everyone in is there for sex or flirts.

JohnC

Lets not kid ourselves here, making all encompassing statements about the nature of the majority of SL users(and I count myself among the worse offenders) is pointless and obviously untrue.
Extreme lack of Diversity, well I never thought I would hear that said about the super weird and wonderful world of SL.
An old friend of mine used to say it was like an explosion in sesame street.
You obviously know one of the most used quotes you see in peoples profiles when referring to SL is the words of the Cheshire Cat from Alice
“But I don’t want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
"Oh, you can’t help that," said the Cat: "we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad."
"How do you know I’m mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn’t have come here.”
To say SL has an extreme lack of diversity is like looking at an asylum and saying “oh they are all the same in there, they are all mad”
And SL people complaining about other SL people reminds me of the insane person in an asylum who who slowly walks over to you, leans in close and whispers in your ear,
“They are all mad in here you know, except me”
This taring of everyone with the same brush in SL, that we all do, is hideously way of beam, my friends mother, 70 years old, has lived a full life as many here may never live, and she has spent years in SL enjoying it for what it is, and excape from the restrictions of RL.
SL people are as diverse as RL people.
As far as I am aware the sim that this video was created in was created for the pure pleasure of creating, with no commercial gain involved in any way.
Likewise the video, created for the fun of showing what can be done with a little imagination and time. If is bothers anyone then that is their problem.
Both are personal artistic creations that those who see them are free to love or hate or ignore.
The last option I am sure being the most prevalent.
I understand that it might bother others that people create things that maybe deflect the masses away from SL an restrict their audience.
But that is what you get in a free world.
And of course this is just another personal opinion and like Mr Eastwood once said,
“Opinions are like arseholes, we all got one” :)

Clara Seller

Sex and Diversity are the big problems in SL failure when our collective resources have been diverted to a new world of big salaries and development where were publicly shunned from participation? Right.

I think the problems of SL mirror the problems of RL. Lack of growth and stagnation is a failure of the systems the worlds operate under. It's not sex, lack of diversity, or any other behavioral ill that is toppling the worlds. It's consolidation of power.

Us frogs who have been on slow boil, for years, have just become accustomed to the insane hoops we have to jump through to maintain status quo. The gauntlet of rape and pillage has made it nearly impossible for new generations to survive. Yes, those of us who have accepted and cheered the thousands of Lindens price tags for no modify still-broken body parts connected to a maze of command centers have done our little part in helping insure our virtual world is DOA to the future. With our nose always pointed to our personal wireless brain-cookers, we've ignored our RL being flushed down the toilet.

Yes little sheepie, our adoration of those who are exploiting us and our willingness to participate in the process is a big part of the problem.

Pappy Enoch

Ain't no fun wifout them-there chacha bingos, shaggin', and gals in aluminum-foil pantyloons a-chasin' each other around in high-heel boots.

Male gaze? What the Sam Hill is a male human-being feller supposed to do? Poke himself in the eye an' not look?

Let me tell y'all sum'fin: The proberlum is they ain't enuff Deliverance sims.

Nalates Urriah

Funny, Pappy.

I suppose one should define what they mean by reputation. Are we talking among the world's 7+ billion in general? Or maybe just those that know what SL is? And how do we define those people when most can't decide if it a game or something else?

What degree of error is in the information in posts that attempt to actually analyze what the reputation is?

It is all opinion based almost solely on personal experience. So, whether the supposed reputation has hurt or helped is also a matter of speculation and opinion.

Amanda

SL would not have survived this long if it restricted content. SL is a lot of things. I don't see much of the SL Pussycat describes. I know it's there but not where I go. @Clara's comments could be more about Facebook and Twitter than SL

Pussycat Catnap

********
You obviously know one of the most used quotes you see in peoples profiles when referring to SL is the words of the Cheshire Cat from Alice
“But I don’t want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
"Oh, you can’t help that," said the Cat: "we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad."
"How do you know I’m mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn’t have come here.”
To say SL has an extreme lack of diversity is like looking at an asylum and saying “oh they are all the same in there, they are all mad”
********

This kind of makes my point.

I "obviously know" a culture reference for white Americans who grew up most likely in the 50s and 60s?

That's the first time I've ever seen that quote actually.

And a whole bunch of colonizers in furries, aliens, and assorted creatures does NOT diversity make. The 'device' between the keyboard and chair is still almost always a colonizer above the age of 40, more often above 50, and commonly above 60.

Pussycat Catnap

The video itself makes my point from another angle. It is so extremely lacking in diversity - as I noted earlier. It's just blond colonizers as they were mostly 'male gazed' in the 70s and 80s. The fantasy of Baby Boomers of a single ethnicity.

I'll repeat... if something like that came out of Hollywood today... we'd all be looking at hashtags to boycott it. If there is anything recent it reminds me of, it'd be Scarlet Johanson in Yellowface in the recent Ghost in the Shell movie - red head and not blond, dyed black for the movie. But otherwise... remember how well that went over... though SLs users are so singular in their ethnic profile they might not even have been aware of that controversy...

Any content problems of the video... are just reflective of the actual nature of SL.

madeline blackbart

"I "obviously know" a culture reference for white Americans who grew up most likely in the 50s and 60s?"
I didn't know only white american's watched disney movies. Neat fact catnip.

I've met plenty of people under the age of 40 who play Second Life. In fact I myself am one of those people. I've also seen and met plenty of African American's who play SL to. I've also met plenty of Asian people who play SL. Did you know that there's a fairly large Japanese Second Life community? There is! Surprise! You don't see many of them outside there own sims due to language barriers and timezone issues. There's also a fairly large number of middle eastern players as well. I mean reasonably speaking since white people statistically speaking are the majority in the USA/Europe if you go to areas where US/Europeans citizens hangout during hours they're up you're going to see more white people then anything else. That's just how statistics work...sorry?

"The fantasy of Baby Boomers of a single ethnicity."
Yup all people that age feel that way. I'll just let my Aunt know that she actually doesn't want diversity next time she mentions that there isn't a lot of diversity in an area where in and it being such a shame.

" it'd be Scarlet Johanson in Yellowface in the recent Ghost in the Shell movie"

Again with the assumptions. Most people who are fans of anime (AKA most of the people actually following that films release) knew/know about the controversy and there are a large amount of anime fans in Second Life. I'd be surprised if there WASN'T any people in SL who knew about that. In fact most white anime fans I've met HATED the casting on that. I know I personally did not appreciate it since if your okay with changing something as important as the characters race (and therefore cultural identity) your probably okay with changing EVERYTHING about the story (and they did...wreaked IMO).

"I "obviously know" a culture reference for white Americans who grew up most likely in the 50s and 60s?"
I mean in all honesty MOST people have seen Disney movies not just people in the USA. It's not THAT weird an assumption. Especially when American cinema is so pervasive throughout the world.

JohnC

what he F..., is a colonizer you are like a badly broken record with only one repeating tune. You have begun to believe your own limited vision of reality is all there is. That is fine, you carry on. You are I hope in some small way free to do and say what you please. So just live and let live. For what its worth

irihapeti

please to enable Adult option box on marketplace and inworld search (which is actual disabled by default) then please to get offended at all the porns in your view

is nuts. People do the same on Google and Bing search. banana nuts

Madeline Blackbart

On topic though.... Personally I don't have a problem with sexual imagery in games and I think most people in SL enjoy it to some degree. The issue is that I think the general public tends to look down on that kind of content when it comes to videogames (which I feel the mainstream sees SL as) as they see them still as a "toy for kids" to a large degree. I mean after the videogame market crash in the 80s it was nintendo who brought games back into "the light" so to speak by selling games to kids, specifically young boys, with the NES system. I think even though the original players of the NES are now adults who are 30s or older it's still largely seen as a child's/teen's past time and it shows. Look at how people freaked out over the "butt pose" from Overwatch or the bikini alternate costumes in street fighter 5. The fact games have been sold as a toy for boys has created this weirdly sexualized and violent market that often spurrs a lot of controversy around it. Generally, from watching the game market, it seems if you want to mass market a game it's an easier sell if your marketing is not over the top sexual/violent.

Gosh-Darned Millenial

I feel like I'm in a different boat from a lot of the commentators here, or indeed the blog's author. What struck me about the previous article on this video wasn't so much the sexual content, but the idea expressed that this is the sort of thing that one could show to gamers, other tech-savvy young people, to show off how cool and not-ugly Second Life is.

To be absolutely clear, I mean no disrespect to the hard work or the artistic vision of the creators of this video. But I don't think the people expressing how good the machinima looks really understand just how dated and limited Second Life appears.

When the model's hair waved in the wind at about four frames per second, and when she did that stiff run with a fixed dead-eye stare, I cringed a little. Second Life just doesn't look that great, especially in comparison with modern video games. If I showed my gamer friends this, they would laugh at the robotic movements, dull lighting and blurry textures. Again, I understand that this video is a great technical achievement for SL. I can see the artistry that went into it. But I know a lot of people wonder why younger, tech-savvy people and gamers aren't so interested in SL, and I think part of the reason is this gap between the technical expectations of the SL userbase and this demographic. "Good for something from SL" is damning with faint praise. I repeat, I am not trying to denigrate the machinima makers, or the thousands of artists who create for the platform. I am simply saying that there are limitations which will be very obvious to anyone into modern gaming, limitations which highlight just how old and creaky the platform is.

Atreyou Carter

The author in a nutshell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tEiguYmgxA

Adeon Writer

I live on mainland, in a General rated region, which is the strictest content rating that LL allows. It's still filled with sexual content and ads. So yes, I think it's a problem. Unless you want to pay 300 USD / month for your own private estate, you can't escape it.

Jack Reacher

I dont think VR Porn is the one to hurt SL. SL was pervy way before VR, that's what even attracted me a bit to it. But it's just an angle. I think SL should embrace vr more and more, and better graphics...

Chris Katz

Second life is pernicious. Full of perversions. If you let it, it will make you into an donkey. Yes, sl is perverted and full of very perverted people who are not very nice.

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