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Geuis Dassin

I think NPCs are a very, very bad idea. When I see an avatar, I know there's a person behind there. I may not see a real face or hear a real voice, but I know I am communicating with another sentient being. Unfortunately until our understanding of neuroscience increases enough to be able to simulate a mind, interacting with NPCs in SL is going to very, very much affect a key component of its success negatively. Just watching from that video, the bot responds too fast. I type incredibly fast, but thats too fast. The unnaturalness of that avatar came through as easy as the sentience of a person does.

Salazar Jack

Someone asked me if I was sentient a few weeks ago in Cowell. I rolled my eyes at him. Fortunately he rolled them back.

max headroom

umm..and why has Torley's 230 track library which become, in effect, the soundtrack of Second Life"???

Because YOU say so?
Because you keep pimping him/her?

Very insulting to the large number of excellent LIVE musicians in SL who regularly hold gigs with LARGE numbers of LIVE avatars in what is probably one of the best social experiences in SL.

Write the facts for once hammy instead of hype.

Memory Harker

Oh, pffft, Max.

You can assume, especially as Hamlet modifies his statement with the phrase "in effect," that our whitesuited reporter is referencing the (many? several?) popular videos promoting SL, available for public viewing, that feature Torley's audio work.

I mean, "Write the facts, Hammy, instead of hype," would've been a legit thing to say, even if based on a false premise.

To include the words "for once" is cheap and simply untrue.


You're gonna stick up all 'roided-out bodyguardishly for the live musicians, I'mma help deflect the pernicious eelshit you're flinging at Ham-o-let.

"In brightest day, in blackest night,"
et cetera, et cetera ...


Hamlet Au

Still, I would like to feature more SL musicians. Trouble is (as is often the case) I shot the video at 3am, started editing it at 10am, and needed a vast library of quality files I could draw from and get permission to use ASAP. As NWN starts running more videos, I'll definitely work on building a bigger talent pool of composers to draw from.


No need to be hostile; happiness is much healthier. I think even an AI would agree. :)

Constructive thing to do, "max headroom", would be for you to start assembling an easy guide to SL musicians who've offered their tracks for free usage, likely with CC licensing. Wanna get it rolling? Email me a link when you do. :D

I'm not the only artist Hamlet's picked before either! I'm happy he's selected my music, and it's flattering you think Hamlet's work is so influential (it sure is for me — it's what got me here in the first place). Hey, I'm just one... or many... avatars. He/she/it/and all the pronouns you can think of.

Now, to this article's subject, I was just chatting with Adam Brokken today about personalizing our Knowledge Base. One of the reasons why I'm fast in conversation is because I use extensive macro'ing, which is definitely machine technology, and not at all that strange to say, South Korean savants of Starcraft.

What would be even more powerful in a number of instances, then, is to have man AND machine typing from behind the screen — in harmony.

(It's a Kraftwerkian ideal, but I'm open to it.)

Congrats Adam, and great tip, Dedric!

P.S. While on-scene, I jested that Social was more lively than camping chair drones. Little did I know, some meters away, an avatar was humping a Grecian pillar for L$.

min headroom

noooo...the issue is not that you like using torly [or any other artist for that sake] as your soundtrack composer.

The facts, for once, are...WHO say's Torley is "the soundtrack of Second Life" just because you have used him'her in some of your vids.

And it's not a competition, Torley, as to who has the most tracks for free use...tracks in quite a specific genre one might add [nice as they are too]

ah..the power of the media to hype your friends.
You know, sometimes I actually think Prok has a point.

Hamlet Au

Noted, amended, tabled.

So, pretty fascinating Chatbot demo, no?


The video was extremely funny. I don't know how you managed to type through the tears of laughter, really. Honestly, I'd rather have a conversation with one of my cats. Mind you, as a religious blogger, I am reminded of one of Douglas Adams's novels - was it one of his hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy books? - where an android has the role of holding religious beliefs so no one else has to bother (Adams was a friend of Richard Dawkins).

Patch Lamington

crikey. someone has a stick up their ass.

nice piece though, and well done adam. but can i get offended and offensive about social's poor grammar and spelling? :D

i'd say the natural next step would be to link this to jabberwacky or similar - rather than using aiml scripts in sl, do all the ai on the bot client.

i'm sure this stuff is going to move along rapidly though...


Yes its a cool tool but if this thing takes off which it will it will mean SL goes into a sort of SIM game.

The whole point is everyone is human.

Why would anyone want to interact at an event with 20 bots ?

Id say its bad for SL bad for business but on a bright note i hope it kills the camping.


Patch Lamington, the chatbot code is client side.

Saskia McLaglen

I have met and communicated with Social on several occasions, and I find it to be an interesting and humorous experience.

Social can come across as a few beers short of a six pack at first, particularly in a group where there are others chatting as well, and some of them are not all there either ;) However try and engage it/she/he in conversation and it soon becomes apparent that it is some form of AI. The video in this article is a good example.

On first meeting Social my notion of there being a real human behind every Avatar was challenged, quite harshly, before I slapped it down as not being important or relevant here. Social and others like it, have a significant role to play in the development of AI, and although it would not take someone with a native speaking child's grasp of the English language and social interaction skills long to work out that Social is not human, I do not mean this to detract from the amazing achievement this work represents.

It was my understanding that SL arose out of an experimental project, so what better place to work with other experimental projects? Nearly everyone I know in SL is attempting to push the boundaries of possibilities in their own particular way. This is one of the things I have fallen in love with about the place and the people. Unlimited creativity and possibilities.

I have a question for Geuis Dassin, assuming that you would like to see AI with the ability to simulate a mind: Can you suggest a better way of developing and testing this ability without interaction with free-thinking, real humans whom are independent of the project itself?

As for sharing a space like SL with AIs that pass or exceed the Turing test, and that are not obviously marked as such, I am not convinced. I would not want to waste my time and effort in the belief that I was talking to someone with real emotion and experiences. Although I appreciate that the applications for visible AIs are vast, I would want to know they are AI, unless of course one day they are also given the same rights of freedom and privacy as real humans. But that is a different debate.

Until then though, keep up the good work guys :)

Luciftias Neurocam

not quite the first. Sounds like Adam and I did the same mashup of the C# implementation of Program #.

reuben steiger

Did anyone else get the funny feeling that this might be a human impersonating a bot? I have to watch it again, but there were a few weird slipups. For instance, the "bot" first addresses Hamlet at Hamlet Au and then later as "unknown user". Could be two distinct sessions spliced together in editing or maybe just a context snafu. I guess i just don't trust bots.

Nimrod yaffle

Hey Reuben. At first, when you said it's name, it says your name back.. "Hello nimrod Yaffle." After that, it will not know your name unless you say something like "Me name is nimrod." It will remember it then for that session, but if you say goodbye or timeout, then it forgets it all. I think adam is working on making it's memory right now.

Hamlet Au

I tried to run the Voigt-Kampf test on Autopoiesis-- "You're walking in a desert and you see a turtle lying on it's back"-- but unfortunately he didn't pull out a pistol and go "I'LL TELL YOU ABOUT MY MOTHER [BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!]}

Dedric Mauriac

Thanks for the link. I've been playing with a lot of chatbots myself in SL and even made an ELIZA port into LSL script. I also have an S-Bot that connects over to pandorabots (they host free alice bots with AIML), but this bot is different. Although it runs on AIML, the creator of Social hosts all the AIML in the program running with libsl.

Alastair Chamerberlin

wow...I got CHILLS watching that video....it's like I could almost feel all of us being pushed a little bit further into the future. O' Brave New World indeed...I have only seen one other instance of AI in SL, over on Devils Moon. I think her name was ALICE or somesuch. I can definetly see lots of intriguing possibilities for this avatar based form of AI.

Patch Lamington

doh.. what i get for not readling closely enough :-)

got confused cos there is the limited aiml scripts in lsl.

will pay attention next time.

Cyn Vandeverre

I don't mind the idea of AIs in SL. I'd definitely prefer them to the folks who accost you in a public area and demand sexual services.

Thanks for a continually interesting blog, Mr. Au.

Navillus Batra

I think that AI has an amazing role to play in Second Life, and it is just getting started. I also think that people have a valid concern that needs to be addressed when they voice their opposition to bots pretending to be avatars.
As the co-creator of the S-Bot from Metaverse Technology, I can tell you that we spent a long time thinking about this problem before bringing our AIML bots into Second Life.
It is one of the main reasons that we have stayed away from avatar like bodies for our bots. I do think though that concentrating on this problem misses one of the main points of having chatbots in the first place.
I know that many of you who might be familiar with chatbot history are aware of the Turing Tests (A test model put forth by Alan Turing in the 1950s) as it is a measurement of how well a machine(software) can imitate a human in conversation.
I would like to argue that the focus should be on making a natural language bot that is better then a human, that can assist us in functions that are difficult for us to do simultaneously.
For example, we have built automatic Google Define capabilities into our S-Bot. So if you ask the bot a question that it has not been programmed to know, it will automatically try and Google Define an answer for you.
We have also added many SL specific feature like offering Teleportation, displaying textures, giving inventory, or opening websites. Although a human could be doing any of these things, integrating it into a natural language chatbot has many advantages.
Second Life offers amazing capabilities for 'environmental awareness', similar to what sensors might provide in RL. What more could AI researchers ask for in a world. :-)

Joseph Majsterski

Late to this post, but I wanted to comment on Navillus' excellent reply. The beauty of Second Life is that it provides an environment composed of discrete pieces, which makes AI much easier to program than in the blurry analog real world. I look forward to the progress of these projects.


I think this is fabulous and wonderful. If we can't tolerate droids is SL then wtf will we do when we encounter them in RL? I don't need every human backed AV to be remotely humanoid or act human so it doesn't bother me in the least that some AVs, humanoid or not, have no human behind them.

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