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Friday, September 21, 2007


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Kimberly Rufer-Bach

Mickey Mouse is one of the most recognized celebrities in the world. Kermit the Frog has given live interviews. How many lunchboxes bear the face of Elvis, how many Elvis impersonators are earning a living today, and how much money did Elvis' image earn while he was alive compared to how much licensing has brought his estate after his death? Betty Boop is widely recognized, but how many women provided her voice, and can you name any of them? Deceased celebrities appear in films (John Coltrane in Vanilla Sky, Marlon Brando in Superman Returns). A dead author's byline continues to appear on new novels (V.C. Andrews). Were mythological figures like Hercules or Pandora based on real people, and how many people know their names today? How many people had heard of King Tutankhamen when he was alive versus the crowds that visit his treasures in museums today, and have you ever seen a King Tut Halloween mask? How many people had heard of Homer while he was alive, how many people read his works after his passing, and how many people today when they encounter his name think not of Odysseus, but instead, "Oooooh, donuts!"

Bettina Tizzy

Gwyneth: Excellent read and spot on. Thank you for that!

Kimberly: I know this is a bit off-topic, but I had to share... a dear friend of mine made a little extra money buying and selling books in his early teens. Seems he made an extra $10 US when he sold his paperback copy of Odysseus to an uninformed - and clearly not the owner - bookstore attendant. My friend had taken the liberty of inscribing an "autograph" inside that book that read... "Best wishes, Homer."

Bettina Tizzy

oops! i *did* mean the Odyssey... :P the Internet was lagged...

Extropia DaSilva

'Gibson plays with this notion a bit, by introducing an impossible marriage between a flesh-and-blood celebrity (a rock star) and an idoru'

I would not say it is 'impossible', given the formidable technology that Gibson imagines runs Rei Toi. She can project her physical presence into RL by way of holograms and is a Turing-level AI. A relationship based on mutual exploration of the spiritual (as is clearly what Rei Toi and Rez have) could work quite well, even if one partner trying to 'see the light' is litterally made OF light!

'Ray Kurzweil, the guru of the extropian movement'. Actually, I think Max More is the guru of the extropian movement. Kurzweil is a Singularitarian, which is not something the extropians subscribe to, because they view it as a temptation towards passivity and an expectation that a higher power will just solve our problems for us.

Extropia DaSilva-wants to get her hands on that hologram tech, pronto.

Charlie Randall

Max More is the father / guru of transhumanism (H+) and the author of the transhumanist philosophy of Extropy. Kruzweil is piggy-backing on More's ideas.

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