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Friday, February 06, 2009


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Takafumi Farina

Not everyone in SL is there to make money or deal with real estate. Some people want to have fun and live a virtual life. Why not cater to this audience with a way for residents to have their own property that is meant for a house?

The people I've met usually just want a place to call home and don't want to deal with the complicated land stuff.

How about a simple solution, maybe an affordable yearly fee for an all-in-one solution for people who would like a home/property to call their own?

This could really change things if we begin to see neighborhoods. (Assuming LL sets aside land specifically for residents' properties meant for houses)

I think the other virtual world "There" does something similar to this. Residents can get their own house and start decorating it. The reason not as many people buy house-related items as clothing is most likely due to not as many people owning land or not wanting to go through the hassle to get it.

Arcadia Codesmith


Once upon a time, not so very long ago, residents could buy 512 sq m "First Land" plots directly from Linden Labs for a modest price and build their homes (or place a free prefab, available at any teleport hub).

Unfortunately, this straightforward and elegant system was ruthlessly gamed by greedy and unscrupulous land barons who would create new accounts, snap up the First Land, merge the plots and resell them for a hefty profit with minimal effort.

Sadly, big land owners wield the bulk of economic power within Second Life, and policy decisions benefit them, Linden Labs or both, not the average resident who just wants a modest nest.

As to the question at hand... I will upgrade my account just as soon as Linden Labs restores the inventory and money that they wiped out the last time I was forced to downgrade.

Without any effective access to support channels, this translates roughly into, "when Hell freezes over" with a bit of "kiss my beautifully-sculpted backside".

Dedric Mauriac

For starters, bring back the 500 L$ weekly allowance and 512 first land. Possibly add a few features (not necessities) that also attract premium ownership. Access to linden events, lower exchange rate fees, quicker response times on tickets, ability for items to be listed on search, access to my.secondlife.com, ability to use preview/first look/release candidate viewers, increase in number of groups that I can be a member of, etc.

FlipperPA Peregrine

How about letting me change my avatar name to Flipper Peregrine after I've been asking for five frickin' years (and cutting the BS about there being a technical reason, when plenty of others have had their names changed in the same time)?

There are plenty of potential vanity services that would make premium attractive: how about no-limit inventory only being for premiums? How about priority to log in during peak times, and throttling log ins to avoid the grid becoming unusable? Argh, we've been saying these things for years now.


I have had a prem. membership from about a week after I came in world. I don't get why any active people don't have them. It is only $72 for a year and your stipend if you don't spend it pays for the next year. On top of that even if first land is over you can still have 512 with $0 extra cost.

Uccello Poultry

"Since that quote's double hearsay, take it with several fillips of skepticism."

That quote is from my blog, specifically at http://poultryreport.blogspot.com/2009/01/downs-and-downs-of-second-life.html?showComment=1232380500000#c5335340606904127263 A little bit of clicking would have turned that up. The person I mentioned hasn't given me permission to use her name so I didn't, but I'm sure you have met her, Hamlet. That does make it hearsay, by definition, but as I'm not a professional journalist my intent should be kept in mind. Let's just call it Deep Background like I'm a White House reporter.

My big concern was for the safety of Peter's inventory, the goods for his business. Face it, the Second Life inventory system needs a complete overhaul, and not just the clunky interface. A reliable, cost-free backup system is needed (simply moving my transferable goods to an Alt avie as recommended by the Lab is not efficient). The permissions system needs to be rethought (I can give away the bottle of mouthwash I just bought iRL so why can't I give away everything I buy in-world?). An inventory loss insurance program needs to be instituted (I really, really miss all my expensive Wynx pet dragons that the Lab cannot recover). Offline inventory management needs to become a reality (and not just because it would be cool ... many ISPs are not throttling bandwidth so staying in-world for long periods could develop a penalty).

Peter mentioned on his blog that the land bonus that comes with a Premium account could be used for a store. I suggest that residents use it as a warehouse. Boxed items rezzed on an in-world property are probably safer than existing in the Inventory. If I were to have another inventory crash (a 3rd, actually) I could recover some of my most valuable items from where they live in-world. Thus my Alt owns land.

Anonymous Blowwristler

The Linden are fully conscious of their double-standard practices, they see it as an incentive for SL users to upgrade. Being a non-paying resident, for them, is like being a foreign worker on a H1B visa. Wanna be a "SL citizen" so that you can't be booted at any time? Then you have to pay. It's not a premium they are asking for: it's a ransom...

Best thing to do to avoid losing everything is to (1) install a standalone OpenSim on your PC (see http://www.thesecondbest.com/OpenSim.pdf), then (2) use a program like Second Inventory to back up and/or get all your stuff the hell out of Second Life's grid, and download it to your PC. Then you can always connect your standalone sim(s) to the grid if you want to sell. It take s awhile to figure it all out (two days in my case) but it will give you peace of mind not be a "Linden hostage" anymore!

Hamlet Au

Uccello, I knew that Peter was quoting you. The reason I call it "double hearsay" is he's actually quoting you quoting someone else, anonymously at that. (Since I'm quoting *Peter*, that might not even make it triple hearsay.) It's not a pejorative term, necessarily, just grounds to be skeptical. I hesitated even quoting that, but it seems to be a fairly common belief that the Lindens give preferential treatment to Premiums above what they state, so decided it's worth airing, though a factual basis is still not established.


Dedric and John - The stipend, in its current form, will not pay for all of next year.

It barely does in the original format; Once LindeX(TM) was effectively price-fixed, it is now cheaper to buy from there (and get more, faster) than it does to earn it through the stipend of Premium. This had been discussed on the official forum as far back as 2005 (I know, as I participated in some of the calculations).

I used to be Premium - when I originally joined in 2004. Once the land requirement was gone, and I did not really care much about my inventory anymore (sad, that), I dropped it. Instead I put that money to other use, in helping support activities within SL.

--Tim Kimball
inSL as Alan Kiesler

Flashing Merlin

Although it's possible to rent land from SIM owners without having a premium account, I've had to move three times because each SIM owner I rented from eventually gave up.

I feel much more secure now owning Linden land, and that is enough motivation for me to keep renewing premium membership.

However, I also agree with Flipper, being able to choose the avatar name I wanted would be motivation enough too. The biggest problem I have introducing friends to SL is the "name game" at registration. Half my friends have quit right there because they didn't want any of the last names on the list.

Uccello Poultry

"Uccello, I knew that Peter was quoting you." I understand the reasoning behind Double hearsay,but without attribution it devalues the quote to less than hearsay. Anyway, Peter got my drift and I hope others do, too. It is a fairly small price for some peace of mind.

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