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Tuesday, November 10, 2009

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Osprey

In part people have been trained that way by all those shopkeepers who say, "My IMs get capped; send me a notecard."

If I want to send text, though, I have few options, and sending just an IM can be dicey as the recipient may not log IMs and may lose the information (even if it's something he wants).

If I send a notecard I try to remember to put my name as part of the title, along with a few descriptive words. I do get a bit frustrated when product or personal notecards come to me and are titled "Info," "Instructions," "For Osprey." Those titles don't tell mean anything once they hit the oubliette that is my inventory.

Crap Mariner

I'm a little busy right now to send you my response... I'll send it to you on a notecard when I get online again, okay?

-ls/cm

Alicia Chenaux

What else would we use? Not everyone has an email account that's just for SL, or they may not be very good at checking email anyway.

Sasy Scarborough

I for one am still amazed that many second life residents do not have avatar emails. So to offer another form of contact is to have to set one up, or give personal info.

Another reason is that you are not the only one they may be contacting :P, so a notecard sent as a form letter in many cases is dropped on many avatars, and if using a scripted delivery system, this means all done at once.

Messages cap, it is how it is in Second Life, and again baffling to me that some do not have offlines set to email, I even know of some store owners that don't which kind of blows my mind.

But I do believe the number one reason, is that you see it being accepted, you know that someone took receipt of that information you extended, and now it is up to them to take it from there.

If there was some kind of SL email system such as [email protected] and people could copy paste to all what they wished to send that would be great, but then again it would mean someone would abuse it and manage to spam every resident at once.

xoxSasyxox

Scarp Godenot

What is the reason for 'capping' IMs anyway. Does it really take up that much server space and computer time?

AND IM's in my experience are 'capped' after three or four, THEN you recieve not a few, but none of them. What is with that? Another example of LL not giving a crap about their customers, that's what.

Effie Emmons

Honestly, I think people use them because of the lack of options.

I would rather send a note card than an actual prim item. I do not want my recipient to need to find a place to rez an item or worry about the number of prims on their properties.

I often send textures; however, if you want to send someone a message in a texture and a landmark, it is just easier to put both into a notecard with any explanation.

Personally, if you are just sending me normal information, I would rather get an IM since they go to my email account. I do not have to worry about capping.

With all that said, I think perhaps there needs to be some educating on notecard etiquette such as changing the title as Osprey stated.

Alidar Moxie

Because its the easiest thing we have access to within the SL interface. I'd prefer an e-mail too, but for whatever reason people don't want to fire up their e-mail client, hence the notecard.

Heck, I prefer IMs (since they get forwarded to my e-mail), explain that to someone.

Arif Emor

I receive emails offline. I get them for every IM, notecard, object, or group announcement sent to me. Yet, my IM's still get capped if I don't log in to view them inworld. Notecards still work to help avoid capping sometimes.

Loki

Because there is no alternative!!!!

Tateru Nino

I find IMs and notecards both to be unreliable. Not every IM arrives in email, some get lost. Likewise notecards get lost sometimes or delayed hours or days before delivery.

Plain as day on my profile it says to email me, but scuttlebutt is that most folks don't look at profiles routinely.

Annechen Lowey

I have used IMs, note cards, e-mails, ning commentaries and journal posts as a shotgun approach tor trying to get a message out to a large group of people, and I **STILL** have people telling me I did not tell them about a meeting.

Ask any female avatar that frequents dance clubs and they will tell you no one looks at the profile.

It does not matter what is used in many cases, for someone, somewhere, it will always be wrong.

SteveR

Ok, so why not just use your notecard folder like email? The base notecard folder is your "inbox." When you get done reading a notecard delete it or move it to a "read" folder. You could make a "todo" folder as well. Keep that inbox empty.

CyFishy Traveler

I suppose it might be different for me if I were as "inundated" by Notecards as Hamlet is, but I don't mind them at all. I keep a number of folders under the Notecards folder to tuck them into, whether they're personal, informational or what have you, which makes them easier to retrieve if I have need of them again. (Speaking of, I probably need to do a quick sort of accumulated and as-yet-unclassified Notecards while I'm thinking about it.)

White Lebed

I am trying to encourage those who don't have sl dedicated e-mail to use SecondLife blog system for longer messages. It is very little known, but works surprisingly well. Try it https://blogs.secondlife.com/pm.jspa

Samantha Poindexter

Because IMs get capped, or lost if you happen to crash immediately upon logging in. Notecards are hardly perfect, but they tend to be the best of the bad options. (Granted, I don't get the sort of deluge you describe, but if I did, I think SteveR's suggestion would make sense.)

Erbo Evans

"Why do people use notecards?"

Because the alternatives are worse. (Now there's a Raymond Chen-style answer for you...)

Offline IMs get capped, even if you have them spill to E-mail. E-mail is inconvenient to access from within the SL client, requiring an external program, and many people are reluctant to give out E-mail addresses anyway, trying to keep them out of the hands of spammers. Not everyone else uses other systems like Ning, Twitter, or even the SL forums, causing barriers to communication.

Arcadia Codesmith

Notecards are a kludge. It's past time to integrate a full-featured email client into the client.

Robustus Hax

It would be much cooler if SL had its own inbox/email system or, perhaps if a Notecard actually was a TXT file I could open in wordpad/notepad instead of opening in a window in SL where it will easily get lost or get in the way.

chaddington boomhauer

If it's important use email or out-of-world IM. It would be nice if they gave out @secondlife.com gmail/gtalk/SIP addresses and gave up trying to provide reliable messaging themselves!

chaddington boomhauer

It's sad how many people sit with gtalk or skype open parallel to SL, talking to the same people on both systems because SL's is so unreliable.

Sioban McMahon

I don't mind receiving the notecards, but do prefer email. I can reply at on my lunch break at my RL job. My pet peeve, though, is the titles that some people give the notecards they drop in my inventory. I have IM to email and I get notifications that notecards like these have gone into my inventory:

"Problem" Oh, good. I'm sitting here at work not knowing if this is a griefer hitting the sims or if an LM giver is acting up. Now I"m going to wonder until I get home.

"Chat with ...." Noooo, distributing IM discussions without the permission of both parties is a TOS violation.

"New Note" Sigh, yeah, I have a few of those, how do I know which is yours?

"To Sioban" Same comment as above. I have too many notecards named this.

Doreen Garrigus

https://blogs.secondlife.com/pm.jspa

I posted that again because I had no idea it was there. Thanks for pointing it out, White.

Sin Toshi

I would use IM/notecards over email because I like to conduct in-world business in-world.

Pituca FairChang

I much prefer IM's to Notecards as they go to my e-mail and I can answer most questions from offline. Sometimes logging in is just not possible. Of course sending a question or request to my e-mail is the best. I have it in my profile, but as you say few read them.

I am sure you all have a plethora of notecards labeled 'new note' that you have to slog through and figure out who they come from.

HeatherDawn

I've said this before and everyone was like "buuut, we have notecards" (doh), but I think we need an inworld messaging (email) system that links to your personal email account, if you wish, for means of communication. Easy to manage, easy to reply, easy to find.

MarillaAnne Slade

Well ... I did not have any luck using the https://blogs.secondlife.com/pm.jspa

all the names i tried to send to were supposedly invalid

whatever ... looks like another sl wannabe ... oh but ... em ...

anyway ... so ... you want to know why I use notecards ...

because, by default, they are set to open when accepted. So, don't mess with my illusion here, obviously an opened msg is a read msg.

Have fun,
Mari

Delinda Dyrssen

I prefer an email over a notecard anyday.. easy to respond with Gmail that I use.. can refer back to it or search it forever no need to delete. Effie mentioned she doesnt worry about capping cause her IM's go to emial. I have it setup that way too but once IM capped.. The emails stop coming so you will miss some IM's that way.

McCabe Maxsted

Two reasons why notecards are used instead of IMs, IMHO: IMs use a line editor that discourages long messages, and notecards are--regardless of their suckitude--traditional.

With regards to a lack of email, I imagine it's far less convenient for a user to open your profile, copy your email address, alt-tab out of the viewer, fire up their favorite email client, and write to you, rather than to send you a notecard in the program they already have open. (Remember, many people don't run SL in windowed mode.) If the UI had a built-in email client, that's all you'd get.

Ziki Questi

What's the alternative? I often use notecards to send embedded landmarks and textures, but they sure are frustrating. At least if they could use basic html -- that would be a huge improvement!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia

Educators have long wanted a document-sharing system that would work in-world. Arcadia's point applies, too, for the edu users: we too use notecards as a kludge. Everyone uses and loses them :(

Doc sharing is not as exciting as improving other aspects of SL, but LL should make it a priority if they don't want to gradually lose users to other platforms that roll it out first.

Does Suit Life...I mean SL Enterprise promise such a feature? The press release made me snooze.

Ari Blackthorne

My answer is simple: "Please do not send me notecards. Always IM me and I will reply ASAP even if offline."

Obviously I'm fortunate enough that I sit at a computer all day through first-life and so have access to email. IMs set to go to email will always come to email, even after your IMs get capped in-world. And replying to the email sends your reply as an IM to the original IMer (which many of your readers here know already.

However, in case you weren't aware - even if you get a group notice (blue menu) and it comes through email, you can reply to that group notice and your reply will go to the sender of that notce.

When I reply to an IM-through-email, I always say "if you are comfortable with it, my email address is..." - and I also have my email address steted in my profile.

I despise notecards and will chuck them (or decline them) the instant anyone offers one to me (especially those that are auto-offered on landing in a sim). I only read notecard I specifically request (like product information while shopping, etc.) If I must send a notecard I walways ensure my name is in the title and also on the very first line inside.

Ari Blackthorne™

(Sheesh I hate TypePad - forces me to use a completely different browser for my comments to "stick")

My answer is simple: "Please do not send me notecards. Always IM me and I will reply ASAP even if offline."

Obviously I'm fortunate enough that I sit at a computer all day through first-life and so have access to email. IMs set to go to email will always come to email, even after your IMs get capped in-world. And replying to the email sends your reply as an IM to the original IMer (which many of your readers here know already.

However, in case you weren't aware - even if you get a group notice (blue menu) and it comes through email, you can reply to that group notice and your reply will go to the sender of that notce.

When I reply to an IM-through-email, I always say "if you are comfortable with it, my email address is..." - and I also have my email address steted in my profile.

I despise notecards and will chuck them (or decline them) the instant anyone offers one to me (especially those that are auto-offered on landing in a sim). I only read notecard I specifically request (like product information while shopping, etc.) If I must send a notecard I walways ensure my name is in the title and also on the very first line inside.

Talia Tokugawa

Well first off, Emerald, Radegast and I am sure other 3rd party clients do offer the ability to export notecards/scripts. By doing this you could use Google Desktop or similar not only to search for titles of notecard but through their contents as well.

Another possibility here for those that don't have a dedicated SL email address. A craze amongst Lindens a little while back was to run a webform in their profiles Web tab that would email a message to an email account whilst preserving anonymity. There are free services out there specifically for this task.

Not sure if it was mentioned above but a little more functionality to group messages might also relieve some of the reliance on notecards.. Say you have an event and you want to pass out a flyer texture and a landmark.. With the current system your only option is to chuck both in an object or Notecard.

Another major use for Notecards is for storing settings with objects. This isn't peoples only option but it's a bit of a standard.

As much as I would hope they'd disappear, there are way to many current uses for them. I can't imagine the value of content using NC for settings it could break if they were just removed.

kenzieh

if we got IMs capped,notecard will also silently get into our inventory. Only message still on the right top of the screen it group notice. I personally use the function "offline im forward to email" for monitoring it.

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