« Which of These Male Avatars Should Iris Pick For Her Top Ten Hot List? (Final Semifinal Round!) | Main | Steampunk Mystery Game Launched in SL's New Babbage »

Tuesday, January 05, 2010


Feed You can follow this conversation by subscribing to the comment feed for this post.

Mitch Wagner

Hamlet, I'm looking forward to your analysis of the original article. My own $0.02: Harsh, but fair. We've all known about the first-hour problem in SL for more than a year, well, that article demonstrated exactly what it looks like.


Another one that is interesting is Slashdot vs. TechCrunch. Clearly Slashdot aren't what they used to be.


Joel Foner

Interesting comparison (apples to oranges, yes.) Please don't fall into the trap of playing games with statistics to make your point, though.

The first chart is labeled search volume index, or how many searches are done to that domain? What does that have to do with usage? Am I remembering right that this ignores people who directly access the site without searching? If so, that could indicate stronger brand awareness for Slashdot, and that people find it without searching more often!

In addition "SL is most recently trending upward?" I'm having trouble drawing a trend line on that chart that shows anything but flat to slightly down over the last 18 months for SL, and the recent blip on the chart is below 2008 levels.


I agree that Slashdot was out in left field on this one. But on the other hand, I've actually returned to reading Slashdot and have dropped Digg. Mostly because the comments on Slashdot are *better quality* than those on Digg. Yikes! (I know!)

Hamlet Au

"Am I remembering right that this ignores people who directly access the site without searching? If so, that could indicate stronger brand awareness for Slashdot, and that people find it without searching more often!"

But then that would also apply to SL's active users who go directly to SecondLife.com without having to Google for it.


Those aren't the charts you're looking for.

I don't see how "Search Volume" for URLs is a meaningful metric for determining "size" of Slashdot versus Second Life.

A better chart would be the "Search Volume" for the terms "slashdot" versus "second life" (instead of their URLs):


Or, traffic in the form of "Daily Unique Visitors" to those URLs:


(and looking at those two charts, you'll see more people searched for "second life" than "slashdot", however more people visited slashdot.org than secondlife.com)

Hamlet Au

I considered using that search criterion, Eloh, but then that would also include references to "second life" as in "At Honda Oxnard, Old CRXs Get a Second Life" and whatnot. Also, I say "interest in", because I'm not making a unique visitor comparison, Slashhdot's site may be larger on that score. (But then that wouldn't necessarily include uniques using the SL client.)

Tateru Nino

Nevertheless, by a coincidence, I *was* wondering what happened to Slashdot today. http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/2010/01/05/whatever-happened-to-slashdot/

Metacam Oh

Its like comparing AIM instant messenger to the traffic of a normal web site...

Can't go by secondlife.com traffic statistics, most hard core SLers avoid secondlife.com like the plague. I sure as hell don't go to it, but I do spend hours and hours in Second Life the platform.

cube inada

Just reading the british article... it ends with the authors "need" for "points" and "gold medals"....

he believes he has a proper "first life" and that is the real shame.

again all just more geeks eating geeks gamez.

boring echochambers.

Fogwoman Gray

Slashdot commenters have been sneering at Second Life (hey look! people geekier than us) for the three years I have been inworld.
Slashdot commentary and articles consist of:
Linux Rules!!
IT Managers suck!!
Regulation sucks!!
Smoking Gun rules!!
Second Life sucks!!
Now you don't have to read it.

Austin Welles

No doubt a ridiculous article, and he obviously didn't get the appeal of Second Life 3 years ago and still doesn't. But it does seem to hit on something. Second Life doesn't seem the same, something has changed and i can't put a finger on it. I am one of the social players. I enjoy the fashions and others creations. I am always redoing my houses and re-terraforming my land. I spend money here, not a creator, but not as much as I used to. So without even looking at statistics I have sensed a shift on the virtual landscape.

Have the new residents become more serious? There seems to be a lack of playfulness. Have I become jaded or has there been a change? I am not sure what it is. I know I don't spend as much time in-world as i did a year ago. Was this shift really caused by moving all sex related activity to its own segregated area? Gambling ban didn't seem to effect play that much. And why is land still so expensive?

Just a few thoughts.

Net Antwerp

This rebuttal from Hamlet is more ridiculous and childish than Slashdot conjuring up an interesting article on Second Life. Perhaps an indication of the Quality of Second Life customers?

Not to mention Hamlet silently deleting my earlier comment about the issue... For shame.


Trolling to get readers is a way to remedy the trends Slashdot seems to be heading ... "Let's say something negative and get a bunch of SLers to read us!" Didn't work with this reader!

Adric Antfarm

A hell of a lot more users have been trolled via knee jerk defenses of Second Life than mindless attacks on it (by far).

Arcadia Codesmith

Attack trolls baiting the fanbois is a stock feature of game/VW boards. That certain trolls are trying to pass themselves off as qualified commentators should come as no surprise in a world that contains Rupert Murdoch.

Hamlet Au

Net Antwerp, the reason I deleted your previous comment had nothing to do with your opinion, and everything to do with your lack of civility. (Unlike Slashdot, I have to apply karma manually.) Check the Comment guidelines in the About page. Failing that, the whole wide Internet is available for your opinion.

Doubledown Tandinota

Wow, some journalists are just complete utter morons.

What are they expecting? You log into a vast giant universe, and there's nothing but crowds and crowds of people EVERYWHERE to the point that there's nothing but a see of avatar heads?

75,000 users.... In a realm bigger than some small countries.

It's people! It's life! If they want to see people and that's the purpose, just go to a lame popular picks spot in search, and bam, there's that crowd they're looking for... but that's not quality. that's quantity. that noooob quantity.

Ok, I just took a peek out my real life window. I live in a city with 40,000 residents, and over 300,000 tourists. I don't see anyone outside on my block.... that doesn't lead me to conclude no one exists.

Anyhoo... once again, an outsider tries to take on a topic they cannot grasp, meanwhile, qualified journalists actually IN WORLD like Hamlet are here to relay CORRECT information.

It becomes annoying that media techies and journalists that aren't involved in Second Life try to write a story by popping in, and after an hour they think they have a quality story.
Whatever happened to the days of interviews and asking reputable sources to get accurate info?
Nowadays as journalists see their "tech guru media" status dwindling, they're grasping to write anything they can to get a story out of it.

It's a shame though, because when someone outside of SL writes a grossly false article about Second Life, there's 75,000 people there to comment the hell out of their BS.

Crap Mariner

Pffft. Slashdot is what you'd get if you cloned Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons and...

Ugh. Now I think I'm going to be sick.


Rodion Resistance

A bit OT but I remember how Valleywag used to bash SL like it was its own crazy coffee-break punching bag, with similar "Whatever Happened to Second Life?" type of stories, and worse. Now it feels kinda good to state "Whatever happened to Valleywag?" tee hee



There's a selection bias there - the slashdot demographic is far more likely to have the site bookmarked or have memorised the site's URL than most others, so the google trends data is misleading. The fact that the slashdot effect still exists should tell you that the site is still going strong.

Sean Avery Jersey

d the site's URL than most others, so the google trends data is misleading. The fact tha

Roberto Luongo Jersey

e fact that the slashdot effect still exists should tell you that the site is still going strong.


the premise is the song Pinger and arctic fox does not know the circumstances. muses: Before long. Dan furnace preheat ready Lingcao into the lid to cover the start alchemy.Past the seventh day.

did not react. It is said that an Acura began to redeem ten thousand louis vuitton on sale grade began. certainly not less louis vuitton sale to accelerate growth. Stood on the stage looked around.

Verify your Comment

Previewing your Comment

This is only a preview. Your comment has not yet been posted.

Your comment could not be posted. Error type:
Your comment has been posted. Post another comment

The letters and numbers you entered did not match the image. Please try again.

As a final step before posting your comment, enter the letters and numbers you see in the image below. This prevents automated programs from posting comments.

Having trouble reading this image? View an alternate.


Post a comment

Your Information

(Name is required. Email address will not be displayed with the comment.)

Making a Metaverse That Matters Wagner James Au ad
Please buy my book!
Thumb Wagner James Au Metaverse book
Wagner James "Hamlet" Au
Bad-Unicorn SL builds holdables HUD
Dutchie Evergreen Slideshow 2024
Juicybomb_EEP ad
My book on Goodreads!
Wagner James Au AAE Speakers Metaverse
Request me as a speaker!
Making of Second Life 20th anniversary Wagner James Au Thumb
my site ... ... ...
PC for SL
Recommended PC for SL
Macbook Second Life
Recommended Mac for SL

Classic New World Notes stories:

Woman With Parkinson's Reports Significant Physical Recovery After Using Second Life - Academics Researching (2013)

We're Not Ready For An Era Where People Prefer Virtual Experiences To Real Ones -- But That Era Seems To Be Here (2012)

Sander's Villa: The Man Who Gave His Father A Second Life (2011)

What Rebecca Learned By Being A Second Life Man (2010)

Charles Bristol's Metaverse Blues: 87 Year Old Bluesman Becomes Avatar-Based Musician In Second Life (2009)

Linden Limit Libertarianism: Metaverse community management illustrates the problems with laissez faire governance (2008)

The Husband That Eshi Made: Metaverse artist, grieving for her dead husband, recreates him as an avatar (2008)

Labor Union Protesters Converge On IBM's Metaverse Campus: Leaders Claim Success, 1850 Total Attendees (Including Giant Banana & Talking Triangle) (2007)

All About My Avatar: The story behind amazing strange avatars (2007)

Fighting the Front: When fascists open an HQ in Second Life, chaos and exploding pigs ensue (2007)

Copying a Controversy: Copyright concerns come to the Metaverse via... the CopyBot! (2006)

The Penguin & the Zookeeper: Just another unlikely friendship formed in The Metaverse (2006)

"—And He Rezzed a Crooked House—": Mathematician makes a tesseract in the Metaverse — watch the videos! (2006)

Guarding Darfur: Virtual super heroes rally to protect a real world activist site (2006)

The Skin You're In: How virtual world avatar options expose real world racism (2006)

Making Love: When virtual sex gets real (2005)

Watching the Detectives: How to honeytrap a cheater in the Metaverse (2005)

The Freeform Identity of Eboni Khan: First-hand account of the Black user experience in virtual worlds (2005)

Man on Man and Woman on Woman: Just another gender-bending avatar love story, with a twist (2005)

The Nine Souls of Wilde Cunningham: A collective of severely disabled people share the same avatar (2004)

Falling for Eddie: Two shy artists divided by an ocean literally create a new life for each other (2004)

War of the Jessie Wall: Battle over virtual borders -- and real war in Iraq (2003)

Home for the Homeless: Creating a virtual mansion despite the most challenging circumstances (2003)

Newstex_Author_Badge-Color 240px
JuicyBomb_NWN5 SL blog
Ava Delaney SL Blog