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Tuesday, April 19, 2011


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GoSpeed Racer

I would hope that in the interim they'd at least update the avatars to the SL standard and support much more user created content.


Also, I always found it frustrating that There was 100% Windows only from its inception, while SL always provided a Mac client at least.

Ann Otoole InSL

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Thanks for posting this James! I studied players in There from 2003 until its closure last year (apparently it's my lot in life to study refugees from games that close.) There was on par with Second Life both in terms of subscriber numbers and in terms of what it offered as a product, but was highly under-publicized by comparison (Case in point: There's no NWN for There.com!) Many "Thereians" have migrated to Second Life, some reluctantly, and others were left in a refugee limbo status. Some of the newer worlds currently in development have also been courting There refugees to create a new client base, as There did with the 400+ Uru refugees who migrated there in 2004. It will be interesting to see what happens with this! If people want to know more about There, as far as I know I am the sole researcher who has written about it to date. You can find my publications as well as info about my book at my home page: http://www.cpandfriends.com


I have been with There since 2007 for about two years before they closed it's doors. When I joined, I didn't know what I was expecting. One of things I loved about There were the staff. The staff was amazing, and very grateful for taking the time to be with the members and trying to make a world a better place for us. There was a unique world that NO ONE could replicate it. It's physics, and textures, and everything about it is what made There a home. The people were friendly, and I've met amazing staff and members. If There does return, I recommend everyone who is 18 + to try it out. The world is a user friendly and very easy to understand.


point of order - the two founders of there.com are Will Harvey and Jeffrey Ventrella (aka Ventrella Linden).

Ann Otoole InSL

@qarl so is Ventrella somehow (openly or privately) involved in this "There Reloaded" effort?

Arcadia Codesmith

I won't play There -- too many restrictions on players and content.

But I do wish it all the best. I think it brings in players who wouldn't even look at Second Life, thereby increasing the market space for everybody.

Kimberly Rufer-Bach

I used to work in-house at There and I'd be thrilled to see it return. It was very different from SL, more limited in many ways, but so comfortable. In particular, I think There had a better handle than their competitors on the new user experience.

The moment the world shut off I was riding my gryphon hoverbike, looking at a map and deciding where to go next... I'd like a chance to continue the journey.

Hamlet Au

"the two founders of there.com are Will Harvey and Jeffrey Ventrella (aka Ventrella Linden)"

Thanks Qarl, corrected Michael's title to CEO.


"Also, I always found it frustrating that There was 100% Windows only from its inception, while SL always provided a Mac client at least."

On his blog in comments, MR. Wilson states it will have Mac support now. Part of the content restrictions came from being a PG-13 world. If it reopens there still won't be "pornography" but the content may be less restricted.

shockwave yareach

If they have UGC and permit people to "misbehave" like SL used to do (back when LL comprehended that it wasn't real and therefore rules didn't need to be created), I'll be there. Oh, but I don't have the time for There and SL both. Guess I'll be dropping the police state of SL then...

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