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Thursday, June 14, 2012


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Adeon Writer

Finally, we'll start to see some new faces in SL. To me, everyone on the default avatar base seems to look like they have the same family genes.

But.. We need morph targets.

Emerald Wynn

Kinda creepy. :\

Kerryth Tarantal

Soooo.... an avatar for your avatar?

It is just a bit "uncanny valley" or something.


Interesting where we all find that uncanny valley in different places. I'm not getting that at all for Iris' latest avatar.

On the other hand, the wet-eyed, liver-lipped Frankengals so popular at Marketplace? They scream "Run, do not walk, for your first life, please." And males have little choice at all, beyond buff biker and ironic hipster.

My question about this all: creators of avatars have gone far beyond LL's viewer and world in terms of sophistication. When a better VW environment with UGC emerges to supplant SL's dwindling lagfest, will these avatars follow?

Lyrical Popstar

Oh look, just another way to cover up ugly-ass Ruth.

When will LL realize that the creators' abilities have greatly surpassed the limitations of Ruth and update the avatar mesh finally?

I'm so tired of matching skin to body parts designed to cover up the ugly mess. Upgrade already!

Lyrical Popstar

Give us an avatar mesh like in this video, and I'll start logging in again more regularly again. At this point, SL feels so outdated.

Skip the first minute or so, but check out these avatars customizable in-world on Eve Online... why can't LL give us something like this?


Lyrical Popstar

Female avi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO21LfBkcVA&feature=related

Orca Flotta

Brrrrrr ... that face is creeping me out o.O

My avie is pretty enough as she is, even without any artificial beauty enhancers, no prim lashes, no fingernails, no primmy feet or hands. A bit toonish but still cute and as pretty as they come.

@ Lyrical:
Yes, the EVE avatars are a joy to create. But I hope you are aware that this is pure playing since they can not leave their spaceships and are never to be seen again after you make them.
Well, I was too stupid and forgetful to grasp the game mechanics, so after making the avie I just flew around for half an hour and tried never again.

Arcadia Codesmith

EVE avis are slated to be able to leave the ship and stroll around, eventually, but the players demanded (and got) a reshuffling of priorities that put it on the back burner.

There are plenty of other avatar customization systems out there to look at. SL should borrow from them shamelessly.

Pussycat Catnap

It may be because those eve avatars don't get used int he actual game that they can be so detailed.

But it is also high time that the SL avatar got some options for an update.

The real gamble is how to do it without obsoleting all existing content.

This mesh head will result in an army of people even more clonelike than the current status if it lacks morph targets. And it'll likely be a bane for non-whites. These folks tend to always make just caucasian models, and then apply a color tinting option for everyone else. Hopefully this is different, but the only example seen so far is one caucasian face - so no reason yet to assume this maker is somehow not typical.

Burper Tilling

Imported mesh is great for cars, buildings, boats, animals and clothing, but I've yet to see a 'mesh' human avatar in SL that looks better than a properly made and skinned standard LL one. The smoother joint articulation of mesh is a bit wasted if the avatar looks like an inflatable plastic doll that's escaped from Blue Mars.

Ener Hax

i want more realistic looking cows in Farmville! =D

Kim Anubis

Ener, you cracked me up. Mooooooo!

Melissa Yeuxdoux

That is indeed LL's dilemma, Pussycat. I hope that LL chooses a path that will ultimately improve the avatar. Eternal backwards compatibility is, as they say in _Dune_, the broad, safe path that leads ever down to stagnation.

Fred Brooks nailed it when he wrote "Prepare to throw one away. You will, anyhow. The only question is whether you'll deliver the throwaway to your customers." Actually, there is another question: will LL be the ones who write the second version?

Pussycat Catnap

LLs will be.

Not because they'll do it best, but because they are the only player in the field that lays out a standard the rest of us are all stuck adopting to - like it or not.

We can hope they do it right. But that's just hope. :)

They've managed to keep us on this late 1990s 'base avatar mesh' for quite some time now, simply by keeping the door locked on any other option. Now that mesh uploading is here... that gives them the 'excuse' to not devote energy to an update - but no mesh uploaded by the community has the ability to become a standard in the same way. All to many factors (IP ownership, agreement over who gets to be in charge, etc...) prevent it.

Oh Dear

One of the questions in the SL Mesh Tutorial Questionnaire specifically asks in what instance a creator can create a likeness of a celebrity and sell it in Second Life.

I look forward to seeing Jin Elfan's permission to use Megan Fox's likeness from her agency before she releases this for sale.

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