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Wednesday, October 15, 2014

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Cube Republic

If you agree with any of the points or not, this is just evil. Anita should be allowed to voice her opinions in a free country without threats of violence. What's more it spoils any debate or discourse.

Ezra

The problem hasn't been what kind of action to take against abusers, it's been identifying them in a timely manner so that something can be done.

A company like Twitter devoting the time and manpower to figuring out who gets to be anonymous or not sounds way more taxing and less effective than simply banning people who break the law and their TOS.

ReBeccaOrg

"Real names" are a fraught issue and I'm really not keen on asking online services to get them wrong YET AGAIN. (Nor do I entirely buy the idea that even if you could force real names that it would improve things: cf. Facebook, G+ up till a few months ago.)

But let's imagine that part is ok. To do this you have to use some sort of proxy identifier to stop the user from just making new accounts. Typically that'd be an IP address. As imperfect as that is, it's enough of a speed bump to stop most users.

But if you're willing to impose per-IP penalties, why not just allow your end users to block everyone who's shared an IP with an account? That'd let your users continue to decide who they want to listen to, while making it much harder to sock-puppet, especially with tools like the block-bot*.

* Personally, I'd like to see services add subscribable block lists as a core feature.

Leo

Those Gamergate people are not responsible for this event and would love to see the perp behind bars as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq798B0z5qc

Sjöfn Stoneshield

Unfortunately, anonymity on the Internet are guaranteed not only in the Swedish Constitution, but also in the EU Constitution

Pussycat Catnap

@Leo: Gamergate is just a smokescreen:

http://deadspin.com/the-future-of-the-culture-wars-is-here-and-its-gamerga-1646145844

"Co-opting the language and posture of grievance is how members of a privileged class express their belief that the way they live shouldn't have to change, that their opponents are hypocrites and perhaps even the real oppressors. This is how you get St. Louisans sincerely explaining that Ferguson protestors are the real racists, and how you end up with an organized group of precisely the same video game enthusiasts to whom an entire industry is catering honestly believing that they're an oppressed minority."

"The idea is that we're all so equal now that true intolerance begins with even noting that anyone is different from the norm, said norm of course being a young, straight, middle-class white guy. To get to this mindset requires a certain willful blindness to privilege and the ways it has embedded itself in the very structures of American life, which is how you wind up with people saying things like, "For some reason, some black people kind of hold onto the 'back in the day,' the slave thing, or they feel they're not being treated right." Cluelessness about institutional inequality isn't a crime, but it's a major contributing factor to the grand nerd myth of the internet as a perfect meritocracy in which everyone is equal and the worst crime is special pleading."

"By those lights, a woman using her sexuality—her difference from the presumed default state of humanity—to gain an advantage, well, shit, that's violating rule No. 1. That people badly want this to have happened even though it didn't is crucial to understanding why Gamergate resonates the way it does—it seems to offer evidence not only that the social-justice warriors are hypocrites and frauds, but that the true defenders of equality turn out to be, well, young, middle-class white guys, and their allies."


And this from the comments there:

"this is probably the most vitriolic case of unexamined privilege we've seen in a long while"

zz bottom

Quoting:
Unfortunately, anonymity on the Internet are guaranteed not only in the Swedish Constitution, but also in the EU Constitution
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Unfortunatly???

zz bottom

The right to our privacy is a right i will fight over any other, be on internet or real world, to say that it is unfortunate that constitutions protect those rights is like asking us to wear id marks on our bodies to be better identified, the last time i heard about this was on WWII death camps!

Adeon Writer

http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20100707

Arcadia Codesmith

Private forum operators have a pretty much absolute right to set and enforce their own policies. Personally, I don't favor "outing" anybody unless they've been convicted (not just accused) of a crime in a court of law. But I'll take it over a system where there's no anonymity at all, for either victimizers or victims.

I do think most forums and games are not adequately moderated, and they'll likely stay that way until operators start facing criminal and civil liability for crimes, defamation and other activities that occur in part due to a lack of enforcement.

FredTheGamer

Well, the example with Sweden is interesting as it shows how something with good intentions can get ugly really fast.

In Swedens case political views and comments posted attached to articles alternative to mainstream media newssites, however leftwing activists decided to exploit a weakness in the USA based provider of the comments function and managed to map comments to real identities.

Those identities were than passed on to one of the bigger mainstream media newspapers who actually went home to those ordinary people with video camera and knocked on their door asking them about the comments that they made, they had said nothing illegal or terribly inapproiate but ended up in the news with name, face and a video showing how the reporter knocked on their door and their response to the accusations. Why? well they expressed views on immigration (Sweden is by far accepting the most immigrants seeking refuge than ANY other contry in Europe) and naturally people have views about it.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions friends. I know it's tempting to call for regulation and control, but no system is entirely safe, and the information can and probably will be used for the wrong reasons sooner or later.

krasnirex

How about making online harassment a criminal offense like it is outside of the online realm.

Pussycat Catnap

@krasnirex: It already is. If you can prove harassment in any given situation, up to whatever standards the given laws require - you have a case regardless of the medium used to do that harassing.

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