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Angery Resident

" and you can't see what PayPal email each transaction is sent to unless you go into the details of each one. I certainly can't print out 300+ pages of transactions."

Yes,yes you do! 300 or 3000 whatever makes the case with more provided facts the better. that is why they have hired accountants as well.

Amanda Dallin

Pay Pal shouldn't be reporting this on a 1099K. The IRS might tell them they have too but they shouldn't. Pay Pal isn't the source of the money just a conduit. This is like the Post Office reporting they paid you income when they deliver the check from someone else or a bank reporting income when you take your money out.

zz bottom

A law suit seems in place against paypal.

Dartagan Shepherd

Yep, said this back on the merchant forums that when they started that people were going to get double taxed because they'd get double reported.

LL is also asking people to provide information for people that don't qualify for minimum reporting requirements.

And no, PayPal is not in the wrong for reporting.

But hey, if you're running your SL business as a corporation you can send your own reporting requirements right back at LL.

Below the Upper

Firstly, Paypal is NOT a bank. Unless you are just cashing out small money ,then by all means use Paypal. Otherwise direct bank deposit is better and will make it a ton easier for reporting/tax purposes. Get a lawyer. Get a good one.

Ciaran Laval

@Dartagnan there are two issues whereby Linden Lab gather information. The first is Tax requirements, which are triggered at certain thresholds and activity levels.

The second is Account requirement, this one is Patriot Act related, not tax related and the triggers are unclear but I suspect it's around USD$2k because Linden Lab lowered the limit on what level 1 accounts can withdraw from USD$2,500 to USD$2,000.

Dartagan Shepherd

@Ciaran Ah, thanks. Hadn't known about the Patriot Act requirements.

Washu

If I came across as blaming LL or PayPal, then I do apologize for the miscommunication. Both companies were reporting as they were required to by law. There is simply a disconnect where the IRS thinks we earned the money twice.

When we learned about the 1099K report, we weren't worried because we report all income anyway. We reported our LL income to the IRS and didn't worry about the PayPal "income", which is what the IRS is mad about. PayPal was simply the middle-man between the LindeX and our bank account, and I do wish the IRS realized that.

Ezra

Sorry for your troubles Washu and Damien, but thanks very much for sharing the details with us, it's educational. Please share any resolution you arrive to as well. I hope that's soon.

norman

66k and assuming a tax rate of 33% puts their earnings at approximately $200,000.

Next time, hire an accountant guys. You can afford it.

Damien Fate

We did have an accountant, and your estimate is way off.

Washu

Norman, you're a bright one. I like how you gather all the facts and give constructive criticism.

1. We were double taxed. The IRS thinks we made twice as much as we did. This put us in a higher tax bracket, plus over $10,000 in fines. I already paid them $27,000 for that year. That's quite enough. If they wanted us to pay an extra $66k, that would nearly be 100% of what we earned.

2. An accountant has nothing to do with any of this.

Gwyneth Llewelyn

Whew I'm so sorry to hear about this, Damien & Washu. I certainly hope that you can figure out a way out of that mess. You don't deserve that extra trouble to deal with the robotic morons at the IRS — taking away your precious time dealing with stupid bureaucracy, instead of spending it with your child and/or creating amazing content...

I remember having had similar issues with Portugal's IRS, even though in that case the issue was not PayPal, and the money 'earned' from SL did not come from LindeX. But still 'our' IRS was confused about why I had earned a lot of money one year but didn't report anything the next year (because, well, sadly enough, that second year's income was no way near the first year, and was actually well below the minimum amount for reporting). At the end, the IRS 'won' (by default — my lawyers couldn't step in in time, the actual period for complaining was measured in days, not weeks or months) and I had to a huge amount of taxes for money that I didn't ever receive. I learned that Portugal's IRS are actually allowed to file tax forms on your behalf, not telling you anything about it, and not allowing you to complain — and once 'their' tax forms are in the system, they override anything you might have declared! (And, suspiciously enough, they will NOT show you THEIR tax forms, unless you have a court order to look at their records...). Fishy? Oh yes, very. My only luck — as opposed to your situation — is that I had earned just a tiny fraction of what you do with content :) so it didn't ruin me, and I was at least allowed to pay the 'fake' taxes in monthly installments over a period of two years.

The lesson I learned was, for the future, to get the best lawyers I can afford, and make sure they move FAST — something that my current poorly underpaid lawyers were unable to do. :( And, again, the accountants had nothing to do with my case, either. They had reported everything correctly to the last cent. It was just the stupid IRS that did not 'believe' them.

Damien Fate

Just a little update, the IRS issue has been resolved. Thankfully!

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