When it finally makes its "Creator Beta" launch this Summer, we know Sansar will feature a VR experience co-created by NASA, and we also know what Linden Lab's social VR world will not feature -- graphic sex or violence. As Linden spokesman Peter Gray put it in /Sansar on Reddit:
Adult content won't be allowed at the opening of Sansar's creator beta this summer. Ultimately, we want Sansar to be an open platform that enables creators to make all kinds of experiences, but early on we also want to be careful that a single genre of content doesn't come to define the platform and potentially limit its appeal to other creators.
In other words, no flying penises and such, the kind of content that indelibly hurt Second Life's brand during its hype period between 2006-2008. Which is something I'm glad the company is spelling out now, though it may be difficult to enforce:
Does this mean Linden Lab is going to steadfastly police all Sansar content to make sure it's free from nudity and other Adult-rated content? Which would definitely put a lot of friction into the creation/publication pipeline. Or possibly, the Summer Beta will only feature select content from select (and pre-screened developers).
This is a strategy, by the way, that Second Life launched with, forbidding any marketing about sexual content during its first few years. Trouble was, because any user could instantiate any genitalia onto their avatar, and then share the photos and videos on social media, and a lot of that went instantly viral, it really didn't matter how the company tried to define the character of its content. Unless Sansar avatars come with permanent underwear baked in (similar to how World of Warcraft and other MMOs manage this challenge), we're likely to see history repeat itself. Or as MMO game designer Jeff Freeman put the problem: Time to Penis.
People need to get over the fact that systems tooled for a wide range of expressions will inevitably get 'sex' or 'violence' at some point. But LL's care and concern on that point makes sense with Sansar as the world needs to start off with a fighting chance of sorts, and saddling it with the same luggage that half-sunk SL once does not strike me as sensible. hopefully that concern is shared by other folks with permissions to build in Sansar.
Posted by: Patchouli Woollahra | Monday, June 19, 2017 at 11:35 PM
"Time to penis" is a great name for a band too. Difficult to enforce? Not really - just don't allow users to actually create or mod anything. Problem solved. Interest again wanes.....
Posted by: sirhc deSantis | Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 03:00 AM
Sansar was never going to survive being put up against Second Life. it does reasonably well as a separate experience, but Second Life still beats it on several fronts. Let's not kid ourselves.
I still see a future where Sansar is canned and what tech was developed for it gradually salvaged to put more life into SL, a few years at a time. it certainly explains why some Lindens are still required to portion out their time between the two services.
Posted by: Patchouli Woollahra | Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 03:11 AM
So they want success in an virtual world where avatars wont be able to have penis ? I mean, it is an attachment, therefore it can be detached and take off fly, lol
Or will they embed the penis and female parts on the avatar editor ???
Give me a break - Hire people to enforce, nothing more can be done rather than that
Posted by: Carlos Loff | Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 04:09 AM
I’m been in SL long enough to have lived through the flying penis era. For a while I had to get someone from LL come and fumigate weekly.
I’m glad to see LL has learned the flying penis lesson. But LL has made so many other mistakes with Sansar that it is a train wreck.
The best that can happen is like Patchouli says Sansar will be canned and some of the technology will be folded into Second Life. Personally, I won’t be wasting my time with Sansar.
I can’t help but wonder what would have happened if back in 2014 had LL had really started working on SL2.0. They would have had an existing user base to build on which the other “virtual worlds” do not have.
Posted by: Willow Dion | Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 09:47 AM
Oh really? Someone is going to check everything i make? You can ban me after the fact - well one alt. Like ill care about losing an alt. The only way that will work is if nobody can build at all. And in that case, WOW is more fun.
You cant keep things sqeaky clean in mainland G areas. You expect me to believe you can do it over the entire universe?
Posted by: Shockwave | Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 03:26 PM
Very easy to deal with this, just do not spend money in Sansar!.. If they think people are going to buy homes/clothing/avatars with REAL money while getting treated like 3rd graders well good luck with that!
If they really want Sansar to be a success.. they need to spin it off as a subsidiary, operated independent of Linden Lab & Second Life.
perhaps calling the subsidiary Sansar while giving the platform a new better thought out name and direction.
it's still not to late to make the needed changes. game publishers and studios do this all the time, it has advantages both financial/tax wise while allows the team/developers a fresh breath while giving the product/game/platform it's own distinct identity & personality.
TL:DR in a nutshell by spinning off Sansar they distance it from linden lab & current products while they still stay on schedule and still have control allowing the new platform to develop itself as a more unique product by allowing its developers to make it there own.
Posted by: Just Say'n | Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 11:32 PM
Gotcha...
SANSAR = AOL of Virtual Worlds
Second Life = The actual Internet of Virtual Worlds
One is where you go when you don't know any better and need everything sanitized for sheltered people. The other is where you go when you realize there's more to be had.
I think I'll be staying in Second Life for quite awhile longer, then. I've long since put on my big kid pants and don't need things spoon fed to me.
Posted by: Willliam Burns | Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 01:08 AM
As Linden spokesman Peter Gray put it in /Sansar on Reddit:
(translation from LL post sexual denial blinker speak)
“Sansar will launch this summer in complete denial of the currant source
and nature of its funding. We want to be careful that the reason for our initial existence,and eventual continued perpetuation, does not reveal itself to quickly
to anyone stupid enough to invest vast amounts of real money, into another product that will die a thousand deaths, until at last our much maligned and denied sexual deviant supporters rescue us once again from certain oblivion”
Posted by: JohnC | Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 02:31 AM
Will they allow avatars to use t-shirts with their own pics7textures ? There could be a penis in those t-shirts and avatars surely can fly, so - HERE WE GO AGAIN !!!
Posted by: Carlos Loff | Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 02:57 AM
What I love about SL is the diversity. Even with the griefing and questionable content, SL is a unique experience. The watered-down Sansar experience isn't for me, even though I'm not a huge fan of things "Adult" on SL.
Posted by: Rick | Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 03:10 PM
There go my retirement plans :'(
Posted by: Fleabite Beach | Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 03:24 PM
Adult release is the leading aspect of SL otherwise we have regular MMPORG ... minecraft. That people want a platform to create content possibly non sexual in nature is a fine nice tune to play by but considering what really sells in SL and how female avatars go dressed for the most part and the type of ROLEPLAY that usually always has some kind of sexual undertone this looks like a train wreck already. Good luck not selling what people really want.
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