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Monday, August 12, 2019

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Ta2025

Just because someone writes an article that says we are not....proves nothing. I think it highly more likely that we are and we are supposed to figure it out. maybe we are AI, just achieving sentience...

Tizzy Canucci

In 1998, Pierre Lévy wrote 'Becoming Virtual: Reality in the Digital Age', where he argued that you never leave the real world to go into the virtual - we still sleep, eat, have inter-human relationships. Instead it's a distinction between the actual (rather than the real) and the virtual - between what exists physically and what exists in our imaginations, and we move between the two, as we live and think. The real always exists.
That's a far more accurate understanding of how people work - but far too mundane for the tech enthusiasts, tech philosophers, and newspapers hunting a headline. But maybe if you get paid real money to peddle the idea that reality doesn't exists, it's more tempting.

Pulsar

@Ta2025 the articles don't just say "no". They come with reasoning and arguments that say *why* "we are probably not..." or *why* it may be not worth / may be dangerous. Yours, instead, is exactly just "I think it highly more likely", without showing any reason why should be highly more likely. It's not whatever one believes just because vs whatever you believe just because. It doesn't work like that. Evaluating the odds and if something is more or less likely isn't random: it has some basis, there are arguments that follow a logic; at most you can point at where they are weak and why, and show counter-arguments.

Whatever the probabilities, one argument in this post is:
a) it's not a simulation => we won't produce any result
b) it is a simulation, but we won't be able to find out => no result as above, the universe simulation continues without issues
c) it is a simulation, and we figure it out => the simulators may decide the experiment is void and they terminate it. (This is an existential risk).

You might counter case b maybe: in case it is a simulation, we don't know the purpose of the simulation*. What if (case b1) the purpose is about to find out if a simulated intelligence is able to figure out it is simulated? Maybe:

b1a) the simulated intelligence can't figure it out: the simulation won't necessarily continue, it may be over after a while, not producing any result. (existential risk)

b1b) the simulated intelligence is able to figure it out: the experiment is complete the moment it happens. Unless there is a follow up, the result was found, the experiment is over and the simulation ends there. (existential risk).

Let's hope the purpose of the hypothetical simulation isn't to see if we can figure it out! LOL
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* = It's hard to guess how the simulator/s' mind work. If it is a scientific project, we could consider the probability they are simulating as we would do (a simulated universe similar to our own to study our own universe) in which case there may be similitudes; but their mind could be entirely different instead, it could be a what-if experiment for their next sci-fi story; it may also be an artistic purpose or just for fun, or anything else.

Joey1058

"Reality" is a result of perception. I perceive a digital world called SL that my imagination occupies. I also perceive a default world that my physical self occupies. They run in parallel to each other. What I believe, is that both are binary. The above statements are my "what is" examples. "How" and "why" fall under theology. That's where my head goes all 'splodey.

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